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    Bowie was consistently on the far right politically and was not shy about attacking the left when the opportunity arose. I remember one specific interview during Live Aid when Bowie went on a tirade against the Derg and then ranted about the wider left and socialist ideas.

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    Can't say I'm a fan but "Nazi Playboy" is certainly a new low... even by the usually subterranean Commie standards of this place.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant View Post
    Bowie was consistently on the far right politically and was not shy about attacking the left when the opportunity arose. I remember one specific interview during Live Aid when Bowie went on a tirade against the Derg and then ranted about the wider left and socialist ideas.
    So by 'far right' what you actually mean is that he went on a rant against a Marxist totalitarian dictatorship run by army generals?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derg
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    Five hundred television stations all talking about David Bowie.

    Van Morrison...... 99% talent + 1% public relations.... David Bowie.... 1% talent + 99% public relations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraxinus View Post
    Have to say I'm a little surprised at the hyperbolic thread. To call David Bowie a NAZI is outlandish, whatever he did in the past. At best tongue and cheek, at worst a flirtation which he regretted, a long time ago.

    The reason the establishment are falling all over the story is cos they have to look like they are as upset as everyone else....one of the very few occasions they get air time with rock n roll artists. He is one of the most iconic and inspirational musicians of the past century. It would be the exact same if this was McCartney, Jagger or Van Morrison. His music has been as inspirational as any of the other 60's greats to newer generations of rock bands.
    Still with the 'swastika in his head', in China Girl - not exactly an early work.

    http://www.metrolyrics.com/china-gir...vid-bowie.html

    I'm just listening to Arena - struck by how derivative his work is, at every stage - hearing Velvet Underground, the Beegees, even the other great camp glam rocker, Elton John He described himself once, in the US, as like a fly in a glass of milk, sucking up everything around him. Yes, he did 'make it his own' but it was hardly musically ground breaking.

    Space Oddity burst into the world apparently without a progenitor though, unless I've overlooked it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    Not a fan of Bowie whatsoever or that type of music but all of the above is news to me Cass. It is strange when celebrities die that they are so eulogized. Take when Lemmy of Motorhead (they have a handful of songs I enjoy) recently died, he was into odd Nazi related things also and lived a life of mad excess abusing drugs and alcohol yet this is all glorified.

    The cult of celebrity is so strange.

    Music is an important part of many peoples lives, but can it be separated from the musician and his or her personal life or actions? I read an interesting article about Gary Glitter fans and to be honest I do not think they can be separated at all. (I always have to skip the first track on Oasis' Whats the Story Morning Glory where Glitter is sampled). Another question is whether or not the meaning of a song has any bearing on someones enjoyment of it - I'm sure there are tons of people who like songs who haven't the foggiest what they are about - if a song is misogynistic, racist or whatever I don't think that should reflect on a person who enjoys that song unless that is the reason why they enjoy it.
    A lot of punk bands messed around with NAZI paraphenalia even though most didn't have fascist views.

    Are we to call a brilliant musician like John Lee Hooker mysogynist too?

    You can't directly compare the work of Bowie and WB Yeats but I don't remember Yeats getting anywhere near the same condemnation for his support for fascism on this thread with a more under-stated title http://www.politicalworld.org/showth...s#.VpQDLk_KPlI

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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    So by 'far right' what you actually mean is that he went on a rant against a Marxist totalitarian dictatorship run by army generals?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derg
    The Derg rightly deserve condemnation and criticism for some of their antics - that has nothing to do with Bowie's far right leanings. For Bowie the Derg were a useful bogeyman to attack the left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant View Post
    The Derg rightly deserve condemnation and criticism for some of their antics - that has nothing to do with Bowie's far right leanings. For Bowie the Derg were a useful bogeyman to attack the left.
    I would like to see a link to the actual footage. I think he might well have been a reactionary, but far right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by riposte View Post
    Five hundred television stations all talking about David Bowie.

    Van Morrison...... 99% talent + 1% public relations.... David Bowie.... 1% talent + 99% public relations.
    With Bowie, the PR and the talent are inextricably mixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    I would like to see a link to the actual footage. I think he might well have been a reactionary, but far right?
    "I think Britain should have a fascist government". Is that not far enough ?

    People don't play at being fascist sympathisers. Most would have a natural revulsion at the idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    "I think Britain should have a fascist government". Is that not far enough ?

    People don't play at being fascist sympathisers. Most would have a natural revulsion at the idea.
    Is that not far enough?
    Very clearly and obviously, no it isn't. Unless you, yourself, are going to accept responsibility and apologise for the crimes committed in the name of the failed cult of Marxism. Then, you would at least be consistent.
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    Actually, I'm done with this thread. I made any point I wanted to make with the photos I posted in the first page. (I should have had the sense to leave it at that.) Those that won't, or can't, pick up on the point I was attempting to make can continue with whatever it is they want to believe about Bowie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Still with the 'swastika in his head', in China Girl - not exactly an early work.

    http://www.metrolyrics.com/china-gir...vid-bowie.html

    I'm just listening to Arena - struck by how derivative his work is, at every stage - hearing Velvet Underground, the Beegees, even the other great camp glam rocker, Elton John He described himself once, in the US, as like a fly in a glass of milk, sucking up everything around him. Yes, he did 'make it his own' but it was hardly musically ground breaking.

    Space Oddity burst into the world apparently without a progenitor though, unless I've overlooked it.
    You could say the same about Nirvana and many more brilliant artists who's music will be timeless.

    Morrisey on Bowie recalls the 70's
    "Manchester then was full of bootboys and skinheads and macho-macho thugs. I saw Bowie's appearance as the ultimate bravery.
    Robert Smith of The Cure called Low "the greatest record ever made", saying his "whole perception of sound was changed" the first time he heard it.

    "Everything on there, everything I heard was astonishing, really astonishing."

    "David Bowie is easily the most influential and important artist to come out of the UK," noted Johnny Marr. "There are musicians who are influenced by him who don't even realise it.

    "Ziggy Stardust and Hunky Dory liberated so many people from the straight sensibility in the suburbs. People who I grew up admiring, like Pete Shelley from the Buzzcocks or Ian Curtis, were hugely influenced by Bowie. No Bowie, no John Lydon - or lots of other people."

    And the list goes on. Artists as diverse as Suede, Culture Club, Nine Inch Nails, Janelle Monae, Jay Z and the Arctic Monkeys have all cited Bowie as an influence.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-35283114

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraxinus View Post
    A lot of punk bands messed around with NAZI paraphenalia even though most didn't have fascist views.

    Are we to call a brilliant musician like John Lee Hooker mysogynist too?

    You can't directly compare the work of Bowie and WB Yeats but I don't remember Yeats getting anywhere near the same condemnation for his support for fascism on this thread with a more under-stated title http://www.politicalworld.org/showth...s#.VpQDLk_KPlI
    Maybe we were remiss ?

    Yeat's support for fascism was not something I was familiar with. I'm reliant on people who can fill me in on it.

    Bowie is of our era. Also, Bowie knew what Nazism had done in WW2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    "I think Britain should have a fascist government". Is that not far enough ?

    People don't play at being fascist sympathisers. Most would have a natural revulsion at the idea.
    Can we rename the Yeats thread and substitute Irish State for Cameron and Yeats for Bowie?

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