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    Default Campaign to Repeal the 8th Amendment

    Any hope of a reasonable and rational debate on the campaign to repeal the 8th amendment on abortion by referendum seems doomed. Unsurprisingly

    In a nasty little scene this afternoon in the Seanad, pro-choice women Senators were called 'harpies' and one advised to get a treatment for haemorrhoids. This campaign will underline what a walk in the park the marriage equality referendum was.

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    It seems inevitable that the law will change - the tactic being used by the pro choice camp, focusing on the more emotive/sad cases, fatal fetal abnormalities etc has and will be very effective.
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    It is clearly modelled on the #marref campaign and the research that underpinned that. The issue is not so easy of course. The medical realities are searing for all of us.

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    The tactics actually haven't changed a jot and pre-date anything dreamed up for the referendum in May. There will probably be very little overlap in the approach of both campaigns because the situation of women in Ireland is very different to that of the LGBT community, just as much as the goals are not the same. If anything, it is the antichoice side who are already busy trying, quite badly, to adopt the trendy stuff that worked so well for Yes Equality. The referendum will not have much of the lollipops and kittens atmosphere we saw in May. Women are angry and they are quite prepare to fight for what is theirs.

    "Focusing on the more emotive/sad cases" is not any particular strategy because the fact is emotive or tragic cases are no more exceptional than the sun rising in the morning. What has altered to some degree is ordinary women fighting for the space to speak publicly and among themselves about their ordinary lives and experiences. That may appear like some new and shocking tactic to some people but that is only a reflection the stigma, shame and silence that continues to effect a whole host of issues effecting women.

    As for the campaign itself, there is no centralised campaign - however much Amnesty International or the Labour Party assume they can take ownership of the issue. What there is is an incredibly broad coalition of people and organisations involved at all sorts of levels. Most of them will probably not even have contact with each other. Opponents have sought to portray the as something driven by the media but the fact is a very significant shift has occurred in all sorts of ways everywhere - except for Leinster House that is..

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    Today's demonstration in Dublin for repeal of the 8th Amendment was large and energetic (around 20,000 in the pouring rain?).

    Lots of shiny young faces - why so few older people ? Its not as though they are a generation that have not had to travel for terminations. Is there a complete cultural gap beween the generations ? Looks like it.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/pro-choice-...94885-Sep2016/
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    Again - energetic, mainly young, protests today (Women's Day) for the Repeal of the 8th.

    http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsir...id=mailsignout

    Why so few older women - so many of whom have had, or who are sisters or mothers of women who have had pregancies terminated ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Again - energetic, mainly young, protests today (Women's Day) for the Repeal of the 8th.

    http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsir...id=mailsignout

    Why so few older women - so many of whom have had, or who are sisters or mothers of women who have had pregancies terminated ?
    Protesting is a young persons game, by and large.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    Protesting is a young persons game, by and large.
    It's a very different age profile from the water charges and anti austerity protests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    It's a very different age profile from the water charges and anti austerity protests.
    Does that surprise you?
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    Was there really twenty thousand? Seemed far less than that to me.

    This was the problem with this particular event from day one... Don't call for a strike or a massive march if you are unsure you'll get it. Especially when you know the priests and such will have a far greater turnout for a pro life march.
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