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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Very interested in that, a link pmd or on the thread would be appreciated if available.

    On the rainfall - I would be interested to know if we are getting more intense bursts of rainfall in small areas, or if this is just natural variance thathe we have become more conscious of because of awareness of the possibility of climate change.

    What you say about forestry practice is alarming - but if it is a factor in faster run off, it would be something easy enough to rectify in the medium term, by changing practice in design of drainage and in felling patterns.
    We probably are getting more intense rainfall, this is what happened in December.



    More rain fell in December than would normally fall during a whole winter, breaking records at weather stations across the country, Met Éireann has said.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/envir...says-1.2484295

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaadi View Post
    We probably are getting more intense rainfall, this is what happened in December.


    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/envir...says-1.2484295
    Well, it is a simple enough answer, thanks very much.

    My impression is still that in the last few years we have been getting more intense rainfall - very, very heavy bursts of rain - that are capable of causing flooding in a specific areae - whereas before, the catchment as a whole would have to rise before there was flooding.

    The two don't exclude each other. More rain generally, more intense rain, generally, and some mega downpours locally.
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    we got our proper cold today ... so the tide should turn for you as well in the next week or so

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    Well, Ireland has borrowed 200 million euros from the European Investment Bank for flood defences.

    It seems likely that most of this will be hard engineering rather than catchment management, unless there is an unexpected change of mind set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Well, Ireland has borrowed 200 million euros from the European Investment Bank for flood defences.

    It seems likely that most of this will be hard engineering rather than catchment management, unless there is an unexpected change of mind set.
    It'll be interesting to see what happens this. Hopefully not an IFA slush fund organised by Ming and some digger work for TD Fitzmaurice.

    No doubt that some dredging needs to happen in the middle Shannon area primarily due to Bord na Mona and other large scale peat harvesting.

    After that, the money really needs to go into some long term solutions like catchment management. The biggest Shannon tributary is the Suck, which also enters the Shannon at it's lowest section, and needs to be looked at. Has arterial drainage happened here and on the river Shiven? The Inny, and the Brosnas the same.

    Around Athlone flood defence will have to be put in place. Regarding the Parteen weir, there should be some way to take water away in times of high flows by a side canal.

    A farm organisation group which split from the IFA are also calling for an holistic approach to flood defence.

    Upland farm management, particularly, the natural soakage of uplands, boglands and heaths will play an essential role in future flood management, according to Colm O’Donnell, Policy Spokesperson of the INHFA.

    The Irish Natura and Hill Farmers Association (INHFA) has called on the Department of Agriculture to carefully consider the Terms and Conditions of the Basic Payment Scheme for 2016 in light of the recent flooding.
    According to the INFHA, this should include assistance to farmers in upland areas to develop native woodlands and other conservation areas.

    These will have the effect of retaining nutrients in the soil and slowing the flow of water from the hills into the rivers and then towards the built-up areas downstream, it stated.

    “While other remedial works on rivers may assist downstream, it is essential that farmers, particularly on uplands and other high nature value (HNV) farmland are provided with assistance to ensure their lands are in a suitable condition to alleviate excessive water in future.

    “There is particular scope on Natura 2000 sites.”

    Proper farm management and nature conservation can work hand in hand but the state bodies need to work together with the farmers to achieve a solution to these problems.
    http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/...agement-inhfa/

    It won't be all the solutions but scientists in the Environmental Pillar have put forward their policy statement;
    http://environmentalpillar.ie/press-...ling-flooding/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraxinus View Post
    It'll be interesting to see what happens this. Hopefully not an IFA slush fund organised by Ming and some digger work for TD Fitzmaurice.

    No doubt that some dredging needs to happen in the middle Shannon area primarily due to Bord na Mona and other large scale peat harvesting.

    After that, the money really needs to go into some long term solutions like catchment management. The biggest Shannon tributary is the Suck, which also enters the Shannon at it's lowest section, and needs to be looked at. Has arterial drainage happened here and on the river Shiven? The Inny, and the Brosnas the same.

    Around Athlone flood defence will have to be put in place. Regarding the Parteen weir, there should be some way to take water away in times of high flows by a side canal.

    A farm organisation group which split from the IFA are also calling for an holistic approach to flood defence.




    http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/...agement-inhfa/

    It won't be all the solutions but scientists in the Environmental Pillar have put forward their policy statement;
    http://environmentalpillar.ie/press-...ling-flooding/
    Upland catchment management is mainly dependent on farmers with poorer land and who are less powerful.

    Good luck to them though - the approach is proven to reduce flooding.
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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