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    Quote Originally Posted by Xray View Post
    Well the UK own the Oil in Mayo so they can have this place too...
    They also own the top North East of the Island, and Irish people voted for it.
    Go figure.
    If we can't even defend the national territory of a large part of our island, what hope for a rock 200miles out at sea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by truth.ie View Post
    They also own the top North East of the Island, and Irish people voted for it.
    Go figure.
    If we can't even defend the national territory of a large part of our island, what hope for a rock 200miles out at sea?
    Not sure the Rock is the issue in an Irish sense - it's what's round it

    Us and the UK have some sort of nod wink Agt circa 1988 of boundaries by all accounts (which gives the Brits the Rock but us lotsa seaspace) but of course Iceland, Danes and Wavelandys ain't parties to that paper shuffling

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    I know its off topic but I didnt see the need for another 'tiny outpost' thread ( I feel one a night is enough )

    Check out this gaff ...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealand

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    Quote Originally Posted by StewieG View Post
    I know its off topic but I didnt see the need for another 'tiny outpost' thread ( I feel one a night is enough )

    Check out this gaff ...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealand
    heh ... came across sealand some distant time before whatever .. is it still standing?

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    Apparently so . the son of the original 'settler' is the prince or prime minister or something .Apparently Steve Staunton is tipped to be the next manager of the national team

    Assuming he refuses the Rockall job !

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    Wonder when they can set up an off shore banking facility? I just found 35 euro down the back of the sofa and I really don't know what to do with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe McGillycuddy View Post
    Wonder when they can set up an off shore banking facility? I just found 35 euro down the back of the sofa and I really don't know what to do with it
    These lads could probably advise you.

    http://www.shell.com/home/content/investor/

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    Quote Originally Posted by moss View Post
    These lads could probably advise you.

    http://www.shell.com/home/content/investor/
    aye, I'd rather invest it off Mayo! Closer to home.

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1maOiysZe-4"]YouTube- The Wolfe Tones - Rock On Rockall[/ame]

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    The relevant Website of the Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf (CLCS) is here http://www.un.org/Depts/los/clcs_new/clcs_home.htm

    Individual Submissions were made to the Commission both by Ireland and the UK. There seem to have been no Submissions from either Denmark or Iceland to date

    The current position of this dispute in so far as the Commission is concerned assuming details on the Site are up to date is detailed in their Reports on the two Submissions located here http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UND...df?OpenElement (see item 12 for the UK Submission and item 13 for the Ireland Submission

    Does anyone have a link to the exact details of the maritime boundary supposed to have been agreed to by the UK and Ireland in 1988 and also preferably a Map of this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ah Well View Post
    I heard this briefly on Tom Dunne's Newstalk Prog this morning ...

    Apparently

    A plan to place a plaque on the North Atlantic islet of Rockall has been approved by Western Isles council - the nearest UK local authority to it.

    The plaque would claim the site as part of the UK.


    ...Adventurer Andy Strangeway, from Full Sutton, East Yorkshire, is behind the idea of installing the plaque.
    Mr Strangeway specialises in visiting remote and inaccessible islands around the UK coast.
    Western Isles council, Comhairle nan Eilean Siar, said there were no objections to the proposal and wished him well....


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/s...ds/8677045.stm

    I thought the Brits had already installed a Plaque there long since claiming it and indeed they had, but it appears to have gone "missing"

    On 18 September 1955 at precisely 10.16 am, in what would be the final territorial expansion of the British Empire, the island was officially annexed by the UK when Lieutenant-Commander Desmond Scott RN, Sergeant Brian Peel RM, Corporal AA Fraser RM, and James Fisher (a civilian naturalist and former Royal Marine), were deposited on the island by a Royal Navy helicopter from HMS Vidal (coincidentally named after the man who first charted the island). The team cemented in a brass plaque on Hall's Ledge and hoisted the Union Flag to stake the UK's claim. The inscription on the plaque read:

    "By authority of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of her other realms and territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, and in accordance with Her Majesty's instructions dated the 14th day of September, 1955, a landing was effected this day upon this island of Rockall from HMS Vidal. The Union flag was hoisted and possession of the island was taken in the name of Her Majesty. [Signed] R H Connell, Captain, HMS Vidal, 18 September 1955."


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockall

    As you may already know, ownership is disputed with claims being made by Ireland, the UK, Iceland and Denmark (for the Faroe Islands)

    Dunne on his Prog stated that Finian McGrath is supposed to be raising this in the Dáil

    Afaik the situation still is that Iceland, Ireland and the United Kingdom have all made submissions to the Commission set up under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Denmark is to make a submission before 2014, delaying a resolution until then.

    Obviously the Rock/Islet itself is of effectively no use to anyone but there is the issue of fishing & exploration rights in the areas surrounding it

    Is this fellow Strangeway doing this of his own accord or does it suit the UK Authorities to allow him to do it and not be seen to be involved directly in it themselves as the matter is being officially dealt with by this Commission set up under the UN Convention?

    Should it not be allowed to proceed at all as it is being dealt with by the Commission?

    Will or should our Government object to this action?

    PS - Someone get Seán Dublin Bay Rockall Loftus on the scene! Is he still alive, should be 83 yrs young if so at this stage
    That's Sean D. Dublin Bay Rockall Loftus to you, mate! :-)


    Seriously, if you were a puffin and had a choice between Biffo, "Dave" Cameron and the guy in Iceland who allowed a referendum on whether the Icelandic population should be driven into penury to bail out criminal banks, who would you choose?

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    We should split it with the Icelanders

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    Default Re: UK intend to install replacement Plaque on Rockall

    Using Google Earth there and if you were to use simple distance it is closest to St Kilda off the west coast of Scotland at approx 188mls

    Donegal is next but the nearest coastal point is well over 200 mls away from it

    Next comes the Faroe Islands

    And lastly Iceland

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ah Well View Post
    Using Google Earth there and if you were to use simple distance it is closest to St Kilda off the west coast of Scotland at approx 188mls

    Donegal is next but the nearest coastal point is well over 200 mls away from it

    Next comes the Faroe Islands

    And lastly Iceland
    Correct, but is it populated landfall that matters? St. Kilda was depopulated sometime in the 1920s or 1930s, I think. It was a very hard life on that wee archipelago, but there were a few compensations - amazing scenery, abundant fish and seafowl, and a very strong form of local democracy alien to the highly-controlled farrago of richer parts.

    I suppose it'll really come down to intergovernmental horse trading behind closed doors. The sort of thing our 'democratically elected leaders' love to do as often as they can get away with.
    "It is we the workers who built these palaces and cities here in Spain and in America and everywhere. We, the workers, can build others to take their place. And better ones! We are not in the least afraid of ruins. We are going to inherit the earth; there is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie might blast and ruin its own world before it leaves the stage of history. We carry a new world here, in our hearts."
    — Buenaventura Durruti

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    For the benefit of those of you much younger than I, the Wolftones (if memory serves me right) penned the lyrics:
    "You can tell them all in Rockall they'll get **** all from Whitehall"
    Priceless!!!

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