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    Default UK intend to install replacement Plaque on Rockall

    I heard this briefly on Tom Dunne's Newstalk Prog this morning ...

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    A plan to place a plaque on the North Atlantic islet of Rockall has been approved by Western Isles council - the nearest UK local authority to it.

    The plaque would claim the site as part of the UK.


    ...Adventurer Andy Strangeway, from Full Sutton, East Yorkshire, is behind the idea of installing the plaque.
    Mr Strangeway specialises in visiting remote and inaccessible islands around the UK coast.
    Western Isles council, Comhairle nan Eilean Siar, said there were no objections to the proposal and wished him well....


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/s...ds/8677045.stm

    I thought the Brits had already installed a Plaque there long since claiming it and indeed they had, but it appears to have gone "missing"

    On 18 September 1955 at precisely 10.16 am, in what would be the final territorial expansion of the British Empire, the island was officially annexed by the UK when Lieutenant-Commander Desmond Scott RN, Sergeant Brian Peel RM, Corporal AA Fraser RM, and James Fisher (a civilian naturalist and former Royal Marine), were deposited on the island by a Royal Navy helicopter from HMS Vidal (coincidentally named after the man who first charted the island). The team cemented in a brass plaque on Hall's Ledge and hoisted the Union Flag to stake the UK's claim. The inscription on the plaque read:

    "By authority of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of her other realms and territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, and in accordance with Her Majesty's instructions dated the 14th day of September, 1955, a landing was effected this day upon this island of Rockall from HMS Vidal. The Union flag was hoisted and possession of the island was taken in the name of Her Majesty. [Signed] R H Connell, Captain, HMS Vidal, 18 September 1955."


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockall

    As you may already know, ownership is disputed with claims being made by Ireland, the UK, Iceland and Denmark (for the Faroe Islands)

    Dunne on his Prog stated that Finian McGrath is supposed to be raising this in the Dáil

    Afaik the situation still is that Iceland, Ireland and the United Kingdom have all made submissions to the Commission set up under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Denmark is to make a submission before 2014, delaying a resolution until then.

    Obviously the Rock/Islet itself is of effectively no use to anyone but there is the issue of fishing & exploration rights in the areas surrounding it

    Is this fellow Strangeway doing this of his own accord or does it suit the UK Authorities to allow him to do it and not be seen to be involved directly in it themselves as the matter is being officially dealt with by this Commission set up under the UN Convention?

    Should it not be allowed to proceed at all as it is being dealt with by the Commission?

    Will or should our Government object to this action?

    PS - Someone get Seán Dublin Bay Rockall Loftus on the scene! Is he still alive, should be 83 yrs young if so at this stage
    Last edited by Ah Well; 13-05-2010 at 10:10 AM.

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    Default Re: UK intend to install replacement Plaque on Rockall

    In the 80s some British chap lived there for a few days to publicise the UKs claim to the rock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electionlit View Post
    In the 80s some British chap lived there for a few days to publicise the UKs claim to the rock.
    Forgot to mention more recently Greenpeace designated Rockall as an independent State

    I should possibly have included them as a claiming party

    Maybe they should be advised of this - get 'em to circle the Rock/Islet and take the plaque when no-one's looking

    http://www.waveland.org/ (That reminds me of the film with Kevin Costner "Water World" for some reason)

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    Default Re: UK intend to install replacement Plaque on Rockall

    Where exactly did you all think I was posting from ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Flower View Post
    Where exactly did you all think I was posting from ?
    Ahhhhh ....

    So THAT's you in the Red Survival Suit on top of that Yellow thingy?


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    Default Re: UK intend to install replacement Plaque on Rockall

    Its all about oil and gas in the 200 miles around Rockall

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    Quote Originally Posted by People Korps View Post
    Its all about oil and gas in the 200 miles around Rockall
    Yeah that's all there is as they have huge natural resources around it. I think Greenland made a claim to it as regards to territorial a & sea areas as well.. not sure as the Rockall matter has gone to the UN for decision.

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    Default Re: UK intend to install replacement Plaque on Rockall

    Ireland had the same chance as the UK, to claim Rockall by planting our flag on it. We had our chance and we blew it.

    Maybe if we werent squandering all our nations wealth on binge drinking ,horse racing and religious buildings, we would have had the capability to send a ship up there and claim Rockall. But we didnt, so stop whinging about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaxationIsTheft View Post
    Ireland had the same chance as the UK, to claim Rockall by planting our flag on it. We had our chance and we blew it.

    Maybe if we werent squandering all our nations wealth on binge drinking ,horse racing and religious buildings, we would have had the capability to send a ship up there and claim Rockall. But we didnt, so stop whinging about it.
    We would need taxes to buy the ship so maybe you should stop whinging ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ah Well View Post
    Ahhhhh ....

    So THAT's you in the Red Survival Suit on top of that Yellow thingy?


    Hi ! *waves*

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Flower View Post
    Hi ! *waves*
    Sure hope you had a more pleasant landing at Rockall than McClean the guy who "reclaimed" it for the Brits as referred to by Electionlit in their prior post

    Vid of that event here

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...6892066935736#

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ah Well View Post
    Sure hope you had a more pleasant landing at Rockall than McClean the guy who "reclaimed" it for the Brits as referred to by Electionlit in their prior post

    Vid of that event here

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...6892066935736#
    A very well-handled and courageous landing. Who was he again ? My guess would be navy.

    A helicopter is better if you want to keep your laptop dry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Flower View Post
    A very well-handled and courageous landing. Who was he again ? My guess would be navy
    Military man and survival expert this fellow

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_McClean

    Now there's an idea ... instead of sending a Naval Ship to South America, send it up to Rockall instead ... with a complement of Army Rangers with a dinghy and let 'em have some useful training exercise at the same time ... quick tricolour hoist at the top, plaque, few words and bobs yer uncle


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ah Well View Post
    Military man and survival expert this fellow

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_McClean

    Now there's an idea ... instead of sending a Naval Ship to South America, send it up to Rockall instead ... with a complement of Army Rangers with a dinghy and let 'em have some useful training exercise at the same time ... quick tricolour hoist at the top, plaque, few words and bobs yer uncle

    Yes, that looked like a special forces OP. I would have like to have seen him try it after dark, and me on top ready with my frying pan

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    Quote Originally Posted by People Korps View Post
    Its all about oil and gas in the 200 miles around Rockall
    Well the UK own the Oil in Mayo so they can have this place too...
    Mr Lenihan said the guarantee was “the cheapest bailout” compared with bank rescues in other countries, including the UK and the US, where “billions and billions of taxpayers’ money are being poured into financial institutions” - October 24 2008

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