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    Default Re: UK Labour leadership contest - Corbyn supporter threatens 'purge' of Blairites if candidate wins

    Quote Originally Posted by sidewinder View Post

    Funny that all the right wingers have is hysteria and snide sniping when finally confronted with actual opposition.
    Good point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    It's also interesting that the deputy position looks to be going to Tom Watson. Ya know, they guy that has kept niggling away at the peados-in-high-places scandal, the guy who exposed the NOTW phone hacking scandal, the guy who compared Murdoch to a mafia boss, and who opposed the Digital Economy Act.

    Corbyn and Watson together could be an extremely effective team in going on the attack against the lunatic neo-liberal orthodoxy.
    Don't kid yourself, Watson isn't going to go in with a loony like Corbyn.

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    This is actually quite extraordinary what I've been watching unfold on social media and across t'interwoogie over the last 12 hours. Corbyn is striking a chord everywhere from idealistic teenagers to grizzled old warriors of the left in their 60s, and beyond out into the wider public who are actually responding extremely favourably to Corbyn on media events like the LBC Radio debate between the four contenders.

    And the fightback against the Tory/Blairite narrative of cynicism and despair is spreading too, with more and more blog articles like this starting to appear:

    http://wire.novaramedia.com/2015/07/...eral-election/

    UK politics might actually start to get interesting. Has the neoliberal jihad of the last 35 years finally run out of steam?

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    Anyone for a strawberry tea?

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    Default Re: UK Labour leadership contest - Corbyn supporter threatens 'purge' of Blairites if candidate wins

    UK politics might actually start to get interesting. Has the neoliberal jihad of the last 35 years finally run out of steam?
    Corbyn is becoming the anti-austerity champion. It could be a long two months to the result.

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    Default Re: UK Labour leadership contest - Corbyn supporter threatens 'purge' of Blairites if candidate wins

    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    Anyone for a strawberry tea?
    Try to salvage some dignity man FFS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    This is actually quite extraordinary what I've been watching unfold on social media and across t'interwoogie over the last 12 hours. Corbyn is striking a chord everywhere from idealistic teenagers to grizzled old warriors of the left in their 60s, and beyond out into the wider public who are actually responding extremely favourably to Corbyn on media events like the LBC Radio debate between the four contenders.

    And the fightback against the Tory/Blairite narrative of cynicism and despair is spreading too, with more and more blog articles like this starting to appear:

    http://wire.novaramedia.com/2015/07/...eral-election/

    UK politics might actually start to get interesting. Has the neoliberal jihad of the last 35 years finally run out of steam?
    Blair was campaigning today

    For Blairism one assumes


    Labour has "rediscovered losing", former Prime Minister Tony Blair warned as a poll put left-winger Jeremy Corbyn ahead in the leadership contest.

    Mr Blair said Labour could win again - but not from a "traditional leftist platform" and said it had to "move on".

    Addressing the Progress think tank, Mr Blair said the "debilitating feature" of the leadership contest was that it was being presented as a choice "between heart and head", adding that people who say their heart is with Mr Corbyn should "get a transplant".

    Even if Mr Corbyn could win power, something Mr Blair thought would be unlikely, he said it would not be the right choice for the country.

    "It would not take the country forward, it would take the country back," he said.



    Mr Blair also attacked the SNP, saying nationalism was "caveman politics".
    Anything this oxygen thief is agin, I am for


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    Default Re: UK Labour leadership contest - Corbyn supporter threatens 'purge' of Blairites if candidate wins

    It's a good antibiotic such as a shovel to the head or a cell with a jacks a certain TB needs.

    Shows how ridiculous Britain is that he is given airtime.

    I've said it before but I really think the voting public over there is far more brainwashed than even in Ireland, mostly because we are a bit more democratic than them and the media influence is not quite as pervasive nor as Corporatist in the television sense as we only have 4-5 stations here.

    He'd have been lynched in France long ago.

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    Default Re: UK Labour leadership contest - Corbyn supporter threatens 'purge' of Blairites if candidate wins

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    It's also interesting that the deputy position looks to be going to Tom Watson. Ya know, they guy that has kept niggling away at the peados-in-high-places scandal, the guy who exposed the NOTW phone hacking scandal, the guy who compared Murdoch to a mafia boss, and who opposed the Digital Economy Act.
    Corbyn's own record in the first area you mention is being challenged by another Labour MP, John Mann. Mann is not, as far as I can gather, a neo-liberal Blairite type, he seems more Old Labour if anything.


    An open letter to Jeremy Corbyn on child abuse
    Posted by John Mann Mp 0pc on July 23, 2015

    23 July 2015

    Dear Jeremy,

    As you know, for decades there was widespread child sexual abuse taking place in the London Borough of Islington. The extent of the abuse was only uncovered through the tenacity and bravery of whistle-blowers, journalists and survivors which led to a number of independent inquiries and the damning Ian White report in 1995.

    As with the rest of the country, the reality is that child abuse was rampant, ignored, covered up and the extent of it is only just beginning to come to light. The attitude was that of the Head of MI5, who was revealed yesterday to have written about a paedophile MP to the then Cabinet Secretary Sir Robert Armstrong in 1986: ‘At the present stage…the risks of political embarrassment to the government is rather greater than the security danger’

    At an event I hosted this year in Parliament of 200 child abuse and exploitation survivors, we received public testimony of the scale of abuse in Islington from a whistle-blower who was a leading light in uncovering child abuse in Islington during the 1980s and early 1990s. This social worker confirmed to me that she and others met with you in the early 1990s to raise her concerns about child abuse and cover-ups in Islington. You said that you would raise the matter with Virginia Bottomley, then at the Department of Health, but no indication of whether you followed this up was ever given.

    In 1986 MP Geoffrey Dickens raised serious concerns about child abuse in Islington.

    Your response was to complain to the Speaker about him visiting your constituency without informing you. I have faced such complaints myself in pursuing corruption issues.

    There are many people who also rubbished the idiosyncratic Mr Dickens. They have been proven to be wrong, indeed I have just received details of another list of names of alleged and now proven paedophiles that Dickens provided to Leon Brittan as Home Secretary, not related to Islington, but further corroboration of the scale of the cover up that has taken place.

    On February 17th 1986 you had called in Parliament for Geoffrey Dickens to “unreservedly withdraw his allegations of the existence of child brothels in the area (in Islington) and make a public apology.” You further called Mr Dickens ‘irresponsible’’.

    You inadvertently helped the rubbishing and the cover up of all of the Dickens allegations. Indeed your actions encouraged others, because a week later the Islington Gazette published a letter attacking Geoffrey Dickens over his allegations from Roger Moody, a prominent pro paedophilia activist.

    On May 30th 1995 the Independent reported that: “The Labour Borough (of Islington) has finally put its hands up. Last week an independent report confirmed that pimps, paedophiles and pornographers had for years preyed on children in Islington's homes.” The reporters highlights the inaction of the council and notes that: “Some social workers met Islington Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn begging him to influence the council, then still denying everything. Soon after, I met him. He did make inquiries but was reassured. There the matter rested.”

    You might wish to read, if you have not had the time already, the superb speech made by Ann Clwyd in the House of Commons last Thursday in which she painstakingly explained the insidious role of insurance companies in ensuring that councils’ refused and refuse to accept liability or responsibility for children they looked after, including in North Wales, but which can also be extended to my own in Nottinghamshire and nearby Nottingham.

    Perhaps most worrying of all are the implications of your question to the Home Secretary on November 3rd 2014.

    You stated that ‘Finally in my own borough of Islington there have been complaints about Islington children’s homes in the past and the council has investigated them.’ This statement at first glance is non contentious. However on reflection is an extraordinary statement considering the representations made to you in the past that the council was in fact cover up abuse and not listening to the survivors, issues you were challenged on at the time.

    Repeatedly across the country, institutions investigating allegations about themselves over child abuse have heard nothing, seen nothing and known nothing. This is at the very heart of the cover up culture.

    I know you through your work on Central African and Latin American human rights issues, and am quite certain that you are a man of the highest personal integrity and ethics. I have not the slightest hesitation in saying that.

    My concern is about your politics and how that results in actions, or in this case non-actions. As we have seen with the appalling misjudgements of the NCCL and its allowance of membership to the Paedophile Information Exchange in the 1970s, sections of the left were in denial of the motivations of some campaigners and this unwillingness to face up to unpalatable possibilities clouded judgement over the most serious of allegations.

    In fact the allegations were true and are true as survivors increasingly choose to speak out. The establishment and sections of the left stood by and allowed children’s lives to be destroyed.

    The reason that your response and inactions to these matters is worthy of specific scrutiny is that unlike others who did not see what was happening, or as we saw with Saville, kept their suspicions to themselves rather than speak out or investigate, you are wishing to lead the Labour Party during the period of Goddard inquiry into child abuse and are seeking become Prime Minister.

    The so called ‘trendy left’ politics of the early 1980s was a contributory factor in covering up child abuse. I myself saw that repeatedly at first hand in Lambeth. Meanwhile children were murdered and disappeared, were raped and beaten, forced into prostitution, trafficked around and a significant number of lives destroyed and blighted.

    Your inaction in the 1980s and 1990s says a lot, not about your personal character, which I admire, but about your politics which I do not. Your carefully worded excusing of Islington Council in the House of Commons equally demonstrates why it is inappropriate for you to attempt to lead the Labour Party at the critical time of the Goddard Enquiry, as child abuse is the issue that will haunt this Parliament.

    Yours Sincerely



    John Mann MP


    http://www.mann4bassetlaw.com/an_ope...on_child_abuse
    Last edited by pluralist; 23-07-2015 at 02:53 PM.

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    It's a good antibiotic such as a shovel to the head or a cell with a jacks a certain TB needs.

    Shows how ridiculous Britain is that he is given airtime.

    I've said it before but I really think the voting public over there is far more brainwashed than even in Ireland, mostly because we are a bit more democratic than them and the media influence is not quite as pervasive nor as Corporatist in the television sense as we only have 4-5 stations here.

    He'd have been lynched in France long ago.
    At the end of the day, he won three elections, the last after the Iraq disaster (although perhaps before the full extent was clear).

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    Mann's diatribe is a small taste of what is going to be thrown at Corbyn if he becomes leader.

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    Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other. ~Oscar Ameringer

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    "Labour warned that Corbyn victor risks SDP-style split"

    Yes, but, worringly, the loony left actually want that to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    You don't think Palestine should be recognised but you call yourself "of the center".
    I didn't state Palestine shouldn't be recognised, I merely noted in passing that Kendall's stance was a brave one to take. I believe however that she is fundamentally mistaken, and forgets that Tory/Lib Dem MP's, including long term supporters of Israel, voted for the Labour-proposed motion.

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    Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other. ~Oscar Ameringer

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