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    With almost 30% of the votes counted, the gap between Syriza and ND on our rock remains 21%.... the map on http://ekloges.ypes.gr/current/v/pub...2params%22:{}} shows in colour how the country is divided. Blue is a ND majority in that district, red is SYRIZA majority in that district. This is live, and changes as the vote changes.

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    Nation wide, 36% of the votes are counted. SYRIZA holds 147 seats at this point in time. ND79 and sadly enough XA is third with 17 seats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephilant View Post
    Nation wide, 36% of the votes are counted. SYRIZA holds 147 seats at this point in time. ND79 and sadly enough XA is third with 17 seats.
    The overall majority would be nice but if the KKE stays out of the way it will not matter if they are a bit short.

    I trust you are having a drink to celebrate? I'm going to go out soon to have one for you and all the Greek people ... wishing you the very best for the future.
    Do not rejoice in his defeat, you men. For though the world has stood up and stopped the bastard, the (female dog) that bore him is in heat again. Bertolt Brecht

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    I trust you are having a drink to celebrate? I'm going to go out soon to have one for you and all the Greek people ... wishing you the very best for the future.
    I wish. Just got a call from my neighbour if i could give a hand. Her daughter is back from Athens (to vote) and managed to dislocate her shoulder while putting her 2 year old to bed... Pushed it back in, and now heading for the hospital. Party will have to wait till tomorrow... But party we will!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ang View Post
    Yanis Varoufakis, tipped to be Syriza's new finance minister, tells Paul Mason what his party would do if it gets into government in Greece, and admits the prospect of power in Europe is "scary". - 'We are going to destroy the Greek oligarchy system'

    1. Deal with humanitarian crisis.

    2. Reform (Triangle of Sin)> Procurement, Bankrupt Bankers, Media

    3. Renegotiate Loan Agreement

    Link contains video interview with Yanis - http://www.channel4.com/news/we-are-...igarchy-system
    What a Finance Minister he'll make! A great day for anybody not of the wingnut neoliberal persuasion.

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    Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other. ~Oscar Ameringer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    Alexis Tsipras: "Today is a new beginning, a victory by SYRIZA will be followed by Podemos in Spain & next year, Sinn Féin in Ireland".
    Jaysus Adams has been busy hasn't he?

    Unlike Tsipras though Gerry will need every last seat from the smaller left parties and Independent left and all of his political skill if he is to form any sort of minority govt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    The overall majority would be nice but if the KKE stays out of the way it will not matter if they are a bit short.

    I trust you are having a drink to celebrate? I'm going to go out soon to have one for you and all the Greek people ... wishing you the very best for the future.
    Yes I too am feeling in a celebratory mood.

    A few Beck's are in order. Given the irony of the hegemonic unraveling before us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    Yes I too am feeling in a celebratory mood.

    A few Beck's are in order. Given the irony of the hegemonic unraveling before us!
    This is exciting stuff.

    We get to see that the 1% and their henchmen only hold IOUs, that their wealth only exists on paper. That without their holding the physical possessions of wealth under lock and key that they own nothing.

    It will be very interesting to see whether the Money Men and their technocratic servants let Greece get on with restructuring their economy and society or whether they nefariously crush Greece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    Jaysus Adams has been busy hasn't he?

    Unlike Tsipras though Gerry will need every last seat from the smaller left parties and Independent left and all of his political skill if he is to form any sort of minority govt.
    The alignment is left-centre-populist (Podemos is 'not socialist' and Sinn fein republican) not 'far left'. Voters are going to have to keep snapping at their heels, to keep things on course, to take the oligarchy on. And they will only go so far. But it is a good shaking of the tree.
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    First time I saw him speaking English. He has a pretty good Business fluency, at least as good as any Politician should speak their second language. Miles better than Merkel's pitiful level anyways.

    It says a lot about a man and a politician where they go and who they meet.

    Alexis Tsipras spent time meeting ordinary people in Darndale in one of the poorest parts of North Dublin when he came over to Ireland, talking to them and trying to learn from their community projects which get little to no central funding and often times are set up out of Estate's own pockets to try and offset social cuts.

    Contrast this with those who are considered to be opposite him at the top table. Angela Merkel went to the IFSC/Convention centre and would not speak English to anybody in Dublin, unlike in London. She did not meet anybody of note aside from pre selected celebrities and FG Politicians.

    Lagarde went to Dublin Castle, which is arrogance screaming out loud, and actually a deliberate insult to Irish people to hold a private convention in such a symbolic relic of colonialism.

    Tsipras will face many problems but he will be radically different than what's gone before. I'll be keeping a close eye on what Yannis gets upto. Could make for interesting research down the line.

    SF maybe see an opportunity here the longer the wait for a GE goes on.

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    Lot of people appear quite adamant that SYRIZA will achieve nothing while at the same time terribly upset that they have just got a mandate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    Lot of people appear quite adamant that SYRIZA will achieve nothing while at the same time terribly upset that they have just got a mandate
    Really ? Name names
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    just glancing over twitter. You know the sort.


    I am reading tweets from Wall Street investment bankers that have more empathy with the Greek people than some Irish folk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    just glancing over twitter. You know the sort.

    I am reading tweets from Wall Street investment bankers that have more empathy with the Greek people than some Irish folk.
    Must take a peek.

    One thing to keep a weather eye on Tsipiras, but who wouldn't be delighted with that vote
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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