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    Cummins withdrew his conflict of interest charge against McSharry apparently.
    McSharry in an RTE interview mentions his involvement in a company called Foresthaze which has been wound up but says that every penny owed to the banks was paid back.

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    McSharry and the mysterious conflict of interest

    Fianna Fáil had threatened to withdraw cooperation with the Government in the Seanad if they try to block Mr MacSharry's nomination.

    A report from the select committee went to the Seanad this morning, with the Government expected to try to overturn the decision.

    The Seanad had to be suspended after a row broke out when Mr Cummins mentioned a possible conflict of interest with Mr MacSharry being on banking inquiry.

    Mr MacSharry asked Mr Cummins to explain the conflict of interest.

    Mr Cummins did not name the conflict of interest.
    - See more at: http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/p....tXOIqB20.dpuf
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    Enda does not want the enquiry to have free rein

    Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin expressed outrage when Enda Kenny said the inquiry could not go ahead without a Government majority.

    Mr Kenny said that “in order for terms of reference to be adopted and for a mandate to be given the Government need to have a majority here and that matter is being considered now by the Senate”.

    He added: “Clearly the situation that applies at the moment mean that the Government don’t have a majority.”

    When Mr Martin intervened to insist the committee had been chosen, Mr Kenny said: “How do I know what the members will do?”
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/polit...uiry-1.1827267
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    The Committee on Procedure and Privileges has washed their hands of it. Ball back in the government's court.

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    And the Susan saga continues..
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    Nice restrained commentary..


    Fianna Fail Senator Ned O'Sullivan compared the Government's actions on the banking inquiry to a dictatorship."Hitler would have been ashamed of it," he said.
    "The worst day in democracy since the Blueshirts," he added.
    His party colleague, Senator Labhras O Murchu said the changes had "a whiff of Communist Russia".
    - See more at: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news....A1Xcz2QJ.dpuf

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    We should have an Inquiry into the setting up of the Bank Guarantee Enquiry and a tribunal into how to spell Enquiry/Inquiry and I propose that the committee room be swept for bugging devices by GSOC before the first meeting. Also that Gárda whistle blowers be asked to check out the background of all the members of the Inquiry/Enquiry on the Gárda pulse system. Any more proposals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Moth View Post
    We should have an Inquiry into the setting up of the Bank Guarantee Enquiry and a tribunal into how to spell Enquiry/Inquiry and I propose that the committee room be swept for bugging devices by GSOC before the first meeting. Also that Gárda whistle blowers be asked to check out the background of all the members of the Inquiry/Enquiry on the Gárda pulse system. Any more proposals?
    Too busy laughing at those
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    Government are so useless they can't even stitch up Fianna Fáil properly

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Moth View Post
    We should have an Inquiry into the setting up of the Bank Guarantee Enquiry and a tribunal into how to spell Enquiry/Inquiry and I propose that the committee room be swept for bugging devices by GSOC before the first meeting. Also that Gárda whistle blowers be asked to check out the background of all the members of the Inquiry/Enquiry on the Gárda pulse system. Any more proposals?
    Denis should chair any tribunal leading from the enquiry/inquiry
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    Stephen Donnelly is quitting the inquiry committee according to the Sindo. As if it wasn't enough of a shambles already.

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    As with Kenny's dismissal of Callinan: watch the big picture. People are troubling themselves about a technical government, but at the same time Kenny is gathering all of the reins of Government in his hand in an increasingly dictatorial fashion.

    Mary Minihan's report last week clearly indicated a crisis in the Seanad over this, that is going to have repercussions. Donnelly is no rightly pointing out that the Oireachtas Committee system, meant to be independent of Government, has been neutered at a stroke by Kenny.

    As yet I've not seen indications of what if any legal powers he has used to do this.

    He has now dealt a blow to the autonomy and functioning of the Seanad and to the Oireachtas Committee system - attacks on the latter have been clearly coming since the success it has had in ratting the political establishment and the public services.

    Very mistaken to view Kenny as a cuddly toy.

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    On Tuesday morning, the Taoiseach ended any hope of the Oireachtas Banking Inquiry working free of Cabinet control. In an extraordinary statement on the floor of the House, he admitted the Government majority, being railroaded through, was so the Government could set the terms of reference, pass the final report, and ensure they would know what the members of the Banking Inquiry would do.


    The Government plan to have a five-four majority on the Inquiry failed last week, when Labour senators didn't turn up for their own selection meeting. Due to Fianna Fail Senator Marc MacSharry being nominated instead of Labour Senator Susan O'Keeffe, the nine person committee was now three Fine Gael, one Labour, two Fianna Fail, two Independent and one Sinn Fein. The Government held four of the nine seats.
    It should have been left like this, for two reasons. First, the Banking Inquiry is, under law, an Oireachtas Inquiry, not a Cabinet Inquiry. The rules of the Oireachtas were properly followed in voting through all nine members. The Labour senators didn't show up to vote, so they lost the vote – tough luck. But the Cabinet decided it didn't like the outcome of the Oireachtas vote, so it reached in and changed it. What, then, is the point of having an Oireachtas?
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    Second, the unintended composition of the committee would have been trusted far more by the public than one with a government majority. With no majority on either side, the committee would have had to proceed on the basis of genuine consensus, rather than an enforced whip from Government Buildings. The public, knowing this, would surely be inclined to take the findings more seriously.
    But by last Tuesday morning we heard the Government was planning to add another two senators to the committee, both from the government benches. If this happened, Fine Gael/Labour would secure a 6-5 majority on a new 11-member inquiry. I admit that I didn't think the Government would be that crass, cynical, or just downright obvious. But then, I haven't been in politics very long.
    In the Dail Chamber, the Taoiseach was asked by Micheal Martin if he was proceedings with the extra two senators. He was. Why? Here's what he said: "Clearly, the situation that applies at the moment is that the Government don't have a majority. We have to get a report and we have to be able to adopt terms of reference. If [the Government] don't have a majority we can't do that."
    This is nonsense. It's for the committee to agree terms of reference, and to write the final report, regardless of which parties its members belong to. The Taoiseach knows this of course, and rather than trying to insist otherwise a second time, he told the bare-faced truth. "How do I know", he asked, "what the members will do?"
    And there we have it – the realpolitik of Irish parliamentary democracy, where Cabinet control is everything. The Banking Inquiry members might want to do things the Taoiseach doesn't want them to do. They might think it relevant to look at events he doesn't want them to look at. They might want to question people he doesn't want questioned (like himself and Michael Noonan for example). But if the Government didn't have a majority, he couldn't control it. He openly admitted that he would be directing the Government committee members so he could control the terms of reference, the final report, and what the inquiry members did.
    But the Taoiseach hadn't finished. Just in case we hadn't fully got the message, he took a sledgehammer to the final nail in the proverbial coffin. Once more it was pointed out to him that it's up to the members of the inquiry to set the terms of reference. To which he replied, "Yes, but the Government members of the committee".
    It's fair to say that any notion of political reform in this Dail term is dead. The Government has stopped even pretending that things could be different. As soon as the outcome of the Seanad selection meeting was known, they sprang into action. In the Seanad, accusations were made that Senator MacSharry would have to be deselected, due to a conflict of interest. But they couldn't back this up, and withdrew it. So they asked the Committee on Procedures and Privileges, CPP, to rule on the senator's potential bias. But the CPP said it couldn't investigate until the terms of reference had been agreed. By which point, of course, it would be too late for the Government. It was suggested in the Seanad that Labour had been 'ambushed' at the selection committee. This remark was also withdrawn, presumably on the basis that the only people who ambushed Labour, were Labour.
    Having failed to get MacSharry booted off the Banking Inquiry, the Government switched to plan B. On Thursday morning, a new item appeared on the day's business for the Seanad – the election of another two senators to the Inquiry, this time, both from government parties. The vote was passed, and Fine Gael/Labour now have a majority of six, on the larger eleven-person inquiry. The Taoiseach can set whatever terms of reference he wants. He can ensure nobody is brought in for questioning he doesn't want questioned. He can exclude events from consideration he wants excluded. And he re-establishes veto over the final report.
    The committee includes high calibre Oireachtas members from all sides, Ciaran Lynch will be an excellent chair, and it can still do useful work. For me, it was imperative that the inquiry was run by the Oireachtas. This week, through their words and actions, the Cabinet has shown definitively that this will absolutely not be the case, and that the Government will use its majority to control the inquiry. So I, for one, will not be taking part.
    In 2011, the new Government asked the Irish people, via referendum, to give the Oireachtas far-reaching new powers to run inquiries. They wanted the power to force people to attend inquiries, deny them normal due process under law, and make findings against them. The need to investigate the banking collapse was cited. Trust us, they said, things have changed, there's been a democratic revolution. These inquiries will be cross-party and in the public interest, not political show-trials. On October 27, 2011, the people said 'No'. On June 12, 2014, the Government proved them right.

    Stephen Donnelly is the Independent TD for Wicklow and Carlow East.


    - See more at: http://www.independent.ie/opinion/co....qzPYpsiu.dpuf

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/co...-30355013.html


    Donnelly on "Why I am Quitting from the Banking Tribunal"
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    Good statement and good call from Donnelly.

    If Oireachtas procedures for selection of the committee were properly followed initially, were those procedures followed in the election of the two additional Senators?

    The main point though is that the Oireachtas Committee system, that was thriving, from the point of view of public interest, has been killed by Kenny. As Donnelly said, if we had voted through the Referendum on additional powers for such committees, Kenny would have had in his hands a very dangerous weapon for use against political opposition.

    Back in 2013 "Kenny takes personal control of Welfare and Health" - http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-29136418.html

    Kenny also recently showed himself prepared to lie in order to cast GSOC, a supposedly independent body, in a bad light on the bugging issue.

    Bank May 31st, Kenny cocked a snook at the banking enquiry. If the Irish budget and austerity policy is now set at an unelected level by Eurocrats, what need do we have for an Oireachtas at all ? One good reliable middleman, aka Kenny, should suffice.

    ENDA KENNY HAS “no responsibility” to tell TDs of his views about former ECB president Jean-Claude Trichet’s refusal to appear before the forthcoming Oireachtas banking inquiry, according to Dáil authorities.
    The Taoiseach has said he expects political leaders to attend the inquiry, but Dáil questions on the Trichet issue were disallowed by the Ceann Comhairle Seán Barrett this week.
    He said: “An Taoiseach has no official responsibility to Dáil Éireann for these matters.”

    Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin had tabled two questions asking the Taoiseach if he was disappointed at Trichet saying he would not be able to attend and for his views on the matter.
    A second question asked if the Taoiseach had written to the European Commission to ask if they would change the rules that Trichet claims prevent him from attending in order to allow him to attend the inquiry and answer questions.
    Politicians charged with investigating the collapse of the Irish banking system will view Trichet as a key player given he opposed the idea of burning Anglo bondholders and is said to have forced Ireland to issue a blanket guarantee of all assets and liabilities in the banking system.
    However, the former banker told Newstalk earlier this month that the ECB’s constitution prevents him from attending.
    “If the rule was changed, I would apply the new rule,” he told Newstalk’s Shona Murray. “All decisions are taken collectively by all members and the responsibility of explaining decisions are in the hands of the national governors.”
    The Taoiseach’s office did not respond to a query about about the matter this week.
    A spokesperson for Martin said that the latest development does little to allay concerns that the banking inquiry is being used for “political point scoring”.
    “Any genuine attempt to get at the truth of what happened to the banking sector in this country would see Jean Claude Trichet at the top of the list of potential witnesses,” the spokesperson said.
    “However, in this Dáil, the Taoiseach simply dismisses questions about his involvement and says he has no responsibility to explain his position to TDs.”
    http://www.thejournal.ie/enda-kenny-...93371-May2014/

    Collective government is a constitutional and civil right, and one that Kenny plainly detests and is riding rough-shod over.
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    It seems to me that Kenny is lying to the Daíl again as he claimed that the Oireachtas Committee could not produce Terms of Reference for the Banking Enquiry without a Government majority "because how do I know what you'll do"

    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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