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    I think that Merkel will almost certainly be re-elected. Schulz will simply take votes from Die Linke. There will be no net improvement in the left's position.

    Meanwhile we have the tories almost impregnable in the UK and a Blairesque centrist a rock-solid certainty to be elected in France.

    It looks like Europeans only want the right or the centre. The left might have to consider just giving up.

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    Well Die Linke and the Greens in the opinion polls but they are all setback on average is the reality I think . I know that 'giving up' feeling . Continental leftists increasingly realise it is a very long term struggle though. People need to jettison wishful thinking and denial on many issues that has crippled the left and get with on big issues like corporate tax evasion facilitation which has led to a bad era of welfare state shrinkage just to name the biggest I see. We need to actually practice internationalism to solve them that has only been token words or we'll be facing the same consequences as elsewhere once the current windfall passes . In meantime we need to look after ourselves and our support bases as far as possible and get away from pointless hectoring etc and be aware of dangers of unconscious egotism, hypocrisy, etc . A very tall order I know . Let's hope we get out-stupided
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    The spectre of Stalinists in power is mobilising Merkel's base in droves. The Social Democrats would be well advised to reach out to the Liberals (who are looking surprisingly strong in the latest polls) even if Die Linke should make the 5% cut. A coalition with the Commies in NRW will be the final nail in the coffin of Schulz' campaign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalMayhem View Post
    The spectre of Stalinists in power is mobilising Merkel's base in droves. The Social Democrats would be well advised to reach out to the Liberals (who are looking surprisingly strong in the latest polls) even if Die Linke should make the 5% cut. A coalition with the Commies in NRW will be the final nail in the coffin of Schulz' campaign.
    I think a guffaw is in order .According the wiki in English, Die Linkes East German intermediate predecessor the PDS (itself successor to the old ruling SED which already included social democrat managerial types anyhow AFAIK) abandoned Marxist-Leninism in 1989
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Left_(Germany)
    I read somewhere myself that the guys in the east have de-stalinized themsleves to such a degree that they are less stalinist than the Trotsyite component of Die Linke (SWP people have claimed their German comrades have Die Linke mp/s?) . If there are any Stalinists left they would of the 'Democratic Left' variety . If there's a problem with Die Linke it is their sheer broadness and similarity to SYRIZA . They have recently signed a 'no borders' anti G20 call and seem to be trying to attract the 'anarchist' end of the youth vote ? While simultaneously being in the city government of Berlin and leading the lander government in Thuringia . My worry is they are stretched too thin to be credible. They already lost a significant % of their support to the AFD in the east, but made up for that by taking in new votes in Berlin. Anyhow for all of our sakes I hope they avoid the SYRIZA trap

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    Sez Wiki?

    Just because Marxism-Leninism went out of fashion in 1989 it doesn't mean they have abandoned it. And their old Stalinist cadres/Stasi networks are still very much alive and active in the East.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richardbouvet View Post
    I think that Merkel will almost certainly be re-elected. Schulz will simply take votes from Die Linke. There will be no net improvement in the left's position.

    Meanwhile we have the tories almost impregnable in the UK and a Blairesque centrist a rock-solid certainty to be elected in France.

    It looks like Europeans only want the right or the centre. The left might have to consider just giving up.
    Quote Originally Posted by morticia View Post
    We need a more unified Pan European left really, isn't that what we're all coalescing around here, Comrades 😉?
    In any country can "The Left" ever agree amongst themselves.

    They always seem to be splitting and rowing

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