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    In one region at least it is

    From the BBC


    Leftist parties in Germany have agreed a historic coalition deal which will see the first far-left regional president since the fall of communism.
    Bodo Ramelow of the socialist Die Linke (Left party) is set to become state premier of Thuringia next month.
    Die Linke, rooted in the old East German state Communist party, has never led a state government.

    The real significance of this new left-wing government is not a sign of a rise of the radical left. Overall support for Die Linke has not risen dramatically over the past few years. Rather, it is proof that the long-fragmented left is getting its act together, and is able to break taboos to co-operate.
    http://m.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30124725
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    Die Linke policies

    DIE LINKE demands the introduction of a nationwide legal minimum wage, and a ban on labour leasing. Marginal jobs have to be turned into regular employment and the situation of jobless has to be uplifted. Working hours have to be shortened and workloads need to be reduced. The Hartz IV labour regulations put jobless people under general suspicion of shying work. We reject such an approach. DIE LINKE demands the gradual elimination of Hartz-IV and the introduction of a sanction-free minimum benefit.

    Along with good pay for good work and the withdrawal of the rise of the statutory retirement age to 67, we demand the restoration of the old pension formula. Average earners should be entitled to pensions high enough to provide a decent living. People who were unable to sufficiently contribute to the pension fund must get legal minimum pensions. Nobody should suffer from poverty in old age and everybody have the prospect of an old age in dignity. The lifetime work of East and West German pensioners must be recognized as equal.

    Only a targeted taxation of large properties will restore social justice in Germany. DIE LINKE calls for the reintroduction of property tax in the form of a millionaire tax which is to affect only the really wealthy. Properties of less than one million are exempted from this tax. Properties exceeding this limit are taxed at a rate of five per cent. Instead, the tax burden on low and medium earners is to be eased.
    Peace, democracy, welfare, and social equity: These were the core messages of the European idea which over decades led to a far-reaching economic and political unification of Europe. But especially since the economic and financial crisis in 2008 this European idea has been betrayed by politics. Savings regimes are imposed on sovereign European Union member states which subject them to an unprecedented dismantling of democracy and the welfare state. To overcome the economic and financial crisis in Europe we demand the restructuring of banking, the independence of state finances from the financial markets, and Europe-wide taxes on financial transactions and large properties. But it is not only the economy which is concerned. Europe is threatened by a turn towards nationalist, right-wing populist, and partially fascist policy.
    http://en.die-linke.de/die-linke/policies/
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    Trust the German left to be the one that can actually agree on forming a coalition.

    Shame Angela Merkel is looking at re-election in 2017 or this might mean something beyond Thuringia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    Trust the German left to be the one that can actually agree on forming a coalition.

    Shame Angela Merkel is looking at re-election in 2017 or this might mean something beyond Thuringia.
    Indeed. As it is, it doesn't mean anything at all. Beyond Thuringen.

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    [QUOTE=DCon;410869]In one region at least it is

    From the BBC

    'Leftist parties in Germany have agreed a historic coalition deal which will see the first far-left regional president since the fall of communism.'

    Ah come on, Linke are only 'far-left' by the standards of the likes of the neo-lib Economist. There's a small 'far-left' element in the coalition it defacto is, but in the main (the main element in the West is ex-SPD and in the East 'reformed communist' which can mean just about anything these days) they are sort of left 'social democrat' and have already been in local/lander government in Berlin

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    Frau Dr not happy

    Merkel’s party attacked Friday’s election of the Linke and Ramelow as a “day of disgrace” for Germany and chided the SPD and Greens for assisting into office “old SED comrades and Stasi informers”.
    The prospect of a Linke-led coalition set off warning bells in Berlin after the election. Dr Merkel warned the SPD not to allow “Karl Marx enter office” in Erfurt while President Joachim Gauck, a civil rights pastor, wondered aloud on national television whether the successor party to the old Socialist Unity Party (SED) “could be fully trusted”.
    In a nod to his party’s critics, and as a concession to his coalition partners, Ramelow agreed the programme for government acknowledge that East Germany was an Unrechtsstaat, a state where the rule of law did not apply.
    Ramelow went further in his first speech as minister-president on Friday, apologising to victims of the East German regime and promising further research into GDR-era injustice. Addressing victims of the Stasi secret police, he said: “To you . . . I can only make a request for an apology.”
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world...medium=twitter
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    Some of the early West German governments up til the late sixties/early seventies and West German Intelligence had former members of the Nazi party and former Nazi advisers/academics in significant employ. Some West German Cabinet members were even linked to Nazi Groups and some were allegedly onetime Hitler Youth or Nazi members.

    These people would have been in the CDU.

    What's this CDU obsession with East Germany? Have they apologised for their own past ambiguities during the Bonn Republic?

    Well known among Germans that the CDU is a broad nationalist tent as well as anything else.

    This is why they accommodate the Bavarian Party as an offshoot.

    People like Merkel see themselves as natural leaders of their country and the continent and will not study their own party's history but will poke fun at Die Linke coming from the SED.

    The German left is to be commended. Now if only the Federal SPD were as pragmatic, Germany would have a very different government.

    In fact, they could have led the Greens and Die Linke into coalition if they wanted, as the numbers were there, despite Merkel's party increasing their own vote.

    I think East Germans are unfairly stigmatised and continue to be so for voting Die Linke/Green.

    Stupid illiterate rants by the Frau Dr. The East German Government was a regime, but obviously it would have had significant support too, considering how many people have voted left since reunification there in the de-industrialised East, and how many still do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    Some of the early West German governments up til the late sixties/early seventies and West German Intelligence had former members of the Nazi party and former Nazi advisers/academics in significant employ. Some West German Cabinet members were even linked to Nazi Groups and some were allegedly onetime Hitler Youth or Nazi members.

    These people would have been in the CDU.

    What's this CDU obsession with East Germany? Have they apologised for their own past ambiguities during the Bonn Republic?

    Well known among Germans that the CDU is a broad nationalist tent as well as anything else.

    This is why they accommodate the Bavarian Party as an offshoot.

    People like Merkel see themselves as natural leaders of their country and the continent and will not study their own party's history but will poke fun at Die Linke coming from the SED.

    The German left is to be commended. Now if only the Federal SPD were as pragmatic, Germany would have a very different government.

    In fact, they could have led the Greens and Die Linke into coalition if they wanted, as the numbers were there, despite Merkel's party increasing their own vote.

    I think East Germans are unfairly stigmatised and continue to be so for voting Die Linke/Green.

    Stupid illiterate rants by the Frau Dr. The East German Government was a regime, but obviously it would have had significant support too, considering how many people have voted left since reunification there in the de-industrialised East, and how many still do.
    The Frau Dr. Bundeskanzlerin grew up in that regime and is in a better position than most to know exactly what it was like. She is, in my estimation, neither illiterate nor stupid.

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    In your opinion. Fair play.

    But her party has never addressed their own ambiguous past have they?

    How can they house the quasi racist Bavarian party as well?

    German voters to some extent have foisted her on the rest of us as austerity is foreign policy not domestic policy for her.

    The SPD are in my view to blame for not doing nationally what they allowed take place in Thuringen. They had the numbers, but not the bottle.

    This woman's a scourge ideologically on all neighboring states. Chancellor Faymann has been building ties with Renzi of late to oppose further German led austerity, particularly these arrogant attempts by Schaeuble to hold round table diktats in every capital.

    I'd love to see him(Schaueble) go to Rome, Vienna or Paris and try that.

    And yeah I do think Die Linke are stigmatised in an ideological battle rather than out of any genuine detestation of the former East German Republic.

    A bit like SF and the IRA.

    This rhetoric in turn seeks to stigmatise East German voters are ungrateful ingrates because they vote predominantly left.

    Many East Germans are much worse off now due to the stripping away of industry and instead of having their concerns addressed in such a way as might change things for the better for them, they get this abuse from on high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    In your opinion. Fair play.

    But her party has never addressed their own ambiguous past have they?

    How can they house the quasi racist Bavarian party as well?

    German voters to some extent have foisted her on the rest of us as austerity is foreign policy not domestic policy for her.

    The SPD are in my view to blame for not doing nationally what they allowed take place in Thuringen. They had the numbers, but not the bottle.

    This woman's a scourge ideologically on all neighboring states. Chancellor Faymann has been building ties with Renzi of late to oppose further German led austerity, particularly these arrogant attempts by Schaeuble to hold round table diktats in every capital.

    I'd love to see him go to Rome, Vienna or Paris and try that.

    And yeah I do think Die Linke are stigmatised in an ideological battle rather than out of any genuine detestation of the former East German Republic.

    A bit like SF and the IRA.

    This rhetoric in turn seeks to stigmatise East German voters are ungrateful ingrates because they vote predominantly left.

    I did not say I agree with her. I just do not think she is illiterate or stupid. She is very careful to cultivate the east German vote
    since she instinctively understands which buttons to press and when to press them in a way that other CDU politicians don't.

    Angela Merkel´s success as a CDU politician is built on everybody, especially men in her own party, underestimating her during her entire career.
    There is a reason why she has been Chancellor for the past decade. Never underestimate "Die Bundesmutti".

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    Oh, she's got the German vote sewn up alright. The problem is that she is, as apjp correctly points out, foisting her undemocratic austerity BS on the rest of us. Even the dreaded markets are now hollering for more QE, and she, or perhaps more correctly, Schaeuble, has the Bundesbank, whoops, ECB, in a chokehold.

    The anti inflation stuff is pandering to domestically uninformed German fears of inflation in the same way that UKIP is pandering to British anti-immigration prejudice, and it is making life for Southern Europe, and increasingly now, places like the Netherlands, France and Finland, very difficult.

    But no, she isn't stupid. Not always, anyway. But as the Saker blog (posted somewhere else on this site) points out, triggering Russian cancellation of the South Stream pipeline was beyond stupid in terms of EU energy security. And this after she's shut down all the nukes. Does she think hi tech manufacturing runs on air and sunshine? Good luck with that, especially in winter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by morticia View Post
    Oh, she's got the German vote sewn up alright. The problem is that she is, as apjp correctly points out, foisting her undemocratic austerity BS on the rest of us. Even the dreaded markets are now hollering for more QE, and she, or perhaps more correctly, Schaeuble, has the Bundesbank, whoops, ECB, in a chokehold.

    The anti inflation stuff is pandering to domestically uninformed German fears of inflation in the same way that UKIP is pandering to British anti-immigration prejudice, and it is making life for Southern Europe, and increasingly now, places like the Netherlands, France and Finland, very difficult.

    But no, she isn't stupid. Not always, anyway. But as the Saker blog (posted somewhere else on this site) points out, triggering Russian cancellation of the South Stream pipeline was beyond stupid in terms of EU energy security. And this after she's shut down all the nukes. Does she think hi tech manufacturing runs on air and sunshine? Good luck with that, especially in winter.
    There is a tendency to blame "the Germans" for the austerity misery Ireland has been suffering for the last 6 years and I would agree that they have made a contribution to this misery which has been unhelpful to say the least. But there is less of a willingness to accept that stroke politics, cute-hoorism, "light-touch"/Phuq-all regulation of banks and financial institutions, economic illiteracy and a total lack of understanding of how to run a country properly by the then-ruling FF-PD cabal in office was, and continues to be, the main reason why this austerity was imposed.

    A shaven gibbon could have seen that the low interest rate economic policy pursued by the ECB was in the interests of the German economy but ran totally against the interest of the Irish economy and in such circumstances, tight control of money supply was needed to avoid a credit splurge and a property bubble. The fact that the FF-PD government, the banking sector and the titans of the property racket collectively did not possess the intelligence of a shaven gibbon is the prime reason why the thin gruel of austerity is the daily menu for Ireland these days, not "the Germans".

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    Eh, well actually, surely the German and British banks who merrily expanded credit by 30% per annum during that era (while buying US subprime bonds) were surely no more brilliant than our glorious leaders of the time. But of course, because they were too big to fail, we got to foot most of the bill. Apart from Hypo...

    Sorry, but we are not the only country with craven idiots at the helm. And the fact that Josef Ackermann was head of Deutsche until recently also beggars belief.

    That is not to say you aren't correct re the stupidity of the free money era. But they were not, repeat not, the only ones.

    Have you read Hank Paulson or Alan Greenspan's books? I have. Intelligent men both, but they failed to spot the problem too. And you expect more of our ex teachers and solicitors in the Dail??

    Having said all that, I do remember predicting a whopper crash since 2003, based on exponential oil price rises, plus UK debt levels (lived there, then). Everyone thought I was mad. There too. I remember one bloke who had bought a house recently (UK) telling me houses were going to cost 10x income. Told him "no there won't, it's gonna crash". Cue evil glare.... Sigh. And I worked (and still do) with roomfuls of Ph.Ds as a scientist.

    Sometimes I despair.

    There will be another oil shortage, medium term, and we are going through another period of free money.....and the Russians are pretty damn annoyed with us. And have cancelled South stream. So Frau Merkel (or her successor) is not going to be having much fun. The blank cheques will be going to some toxic combo of the UKraine and Russia to keep the gas flowing. No idea how that's gonna work.

    Round and around and around.
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    Nice to see Merkel upset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim Buddha View Post
    I did not say I agree with her. I just do not think she is illiterate or stupid. She is very careful to cultivate the east German vote
    since she instinctively understands which buttons to press and when to press them in a way that other CDU politicians don't.

    Angela Merkel´s success as a CDU politician is built on everybody, especially men in her own party, underestimating her during her entire career.
    There is a reason why she has been Chancellor for the past decade. Never underestimate "Die Bundesmutti".
    Fair point.

    I will not defer to titles though, nor indeed will I defer in any deferent manner to deference, though I appreciate it might have been ironically meant.

    The SPD seems to be afraid of Die Linke as they could have led a leftwing government.

    Or as you say, even more terrified of Merkel in opposition as a Rhetorical and Popular opponent than as a shifty govt. partner.

    I think it was roughly a 50-50 left/right split in the 2013 elections.

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