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    Please share this statement as widely as possible:

    We Won’t Back Down

    On Monday the 24 November 2014 we expect four of our friends and neighbors to be committed to prison for exercising their right to peaceful protest. They are to be punished for failing to abide by a High Court injunction granted to GMC Sierra which requires them (and any other protester) to, among other things, remain at least 20 meters away from workers installing unwanted water meters.

    This injunction, in spite of the High Court Judges claims to the contrary, obliterates any meaningful right to protest against the installation of water meters. For that reason protesters throughout Dublin, and the rest of the country, have rejected this illegitimate interference with their right to protest, and have continued their dignified resistance to the installation of water meters, and the water charges regime.

    This injunction, and the expected imprisonment of our friends and neighbors on Monday, represents another attack on the people of this country, and on the right to peacefully resist and oppose the unjust policies of an unrepresentative government. In the coming weeks and months, we expect the establishment to engage in many more attacks on our movement, using the law as one of its main instruments.

    For this reason, we have been working with groups around the country on building legal defence funds: this is a collective struggle for our basic rights and a better future. For that reason, any person that ends up in court for resisting this illegitimate tax and attempt to commodify the most basic of necessities, needs to know that they will not be alone, and we will stand with them. We therefore call on the Right2Water Campaign, it’s affiliated unions and the political parties that have stated their opposition to the water charges, to contribute what they can to the Peoples Defence Funds.

    If, as feared, our friends are imprisoned on Monday we are calling for a mass, silent candlelight vigil outside of the prison they are committed to (most likely Mountjoy Prison in Dublin).

    As the struggle against this unjust double-tax enters a new phase, and a beleaguered government begins to lash out with all of the means at its disposal, we will make it abundantly clear that fear will not carry the day in this contest, and that nobody who stands against this injustice will stand alone.

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    Keep us posted and if need be I'm sure that some of us will be there.
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    A summary of today's developments from the Communities Against Water Charges FB page:

    After today's case in the CCJ, There was one released and the remaining injunctees will appear on Wednesday at 10.30.
    In light of this the solidarity vigils have been postponed until the outcome of this case is known.
    Again we would like to reiterate we will stand with our friends & neighbours until this unjust tax is defeated and a big thank you to everyone who stood today with the 4 people in court.
    Communities Against Water Charges
    Last night Cobh issued the following statement calling for solidarity vigils if the protesters were jailed. This was positively received and we are now confident that with another couple of days to organise that there should be a large number of such solidarity vigils on Wednesday evening if the worst happens to any, or all, of the three who are yet to be cleared.

    Regarding the statement in support of the 4 anti-water charges activists who may be jailed on Monday.

    If the worst happens and they are jailed Cobh Says No to Austerity will be holding a solidarity candlelight vigil outside the Cobh Garda station at the same time as the vigil in Dublin at the prison they are sent to (we are informed this is likely to be 6pm).

    We would like to encourage as many anti-water charges groups outside Dublin as possible to organise similar solidarity candlelight vigils outside either their local courthouse, or Garda station if they don't have a courthouse (like Cobh).

    We realise that this is short notice but consider this to be a matter of the highest urgency, not only for the 4 activists directly affected, but for all of us - "an injury to one is an injury to all"!

    Please check the Communities Against Water Charges Facebook page for updates during the day. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Commu...92957637566771

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolshevik View Post
    A summary of today's developments from the Communities Against Water Charges FB page:

    Last night Cobh issued the following statement calling for solidarity vigils if the protesters were jailed. This was positively received and we are now confident that with another couple of days to organise that there should be a large number of such solidarity vigils on Wednesday evening if the worst happens to any, or all, of the three who are yet to be cleared.
    Good.

    There is a General Election coming, maybe soon. We need some good people from the anti-Water Charges front lines to stand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Good.

    There is a General Election coming, maybe soon. We need some good people from the anti-Water Charges front lines to stand.
    We don't see this proposal in terms of creating an organisation that could stand in elections. It is primarily about setting up a network of similar community based groups to facilitate communication and learning from each other with perhaps the occasional joint activity - which the organising of coinciding solidarity vigils would be an example of. It is no doubt true that election candidates may come out of this process but that would be very much a secondary by-product of trying to deepen the coordination between the examples of working class self-organisation that we are seeing in places like Cobh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolshevik View Post
    We don't see this proposal in terms of creating an organisation that could stand in elections. It is primarily about setting up a network of similar community based groups to facilitate communication and learning from each other with perhaps the occasional joint activity - which the organising of coinciding solidarity vigils would be an example of. It is no doubt true that election candidates may come out of this process but that would be very much a secondary by-product of trying to deepen the coordination between the examples of working class self-organisation that we are seeing in places like Cobh.
    I don't see the two things as cutting across each other.

    We can't always pick and choose the time and place of battles. You may say the Dail won't solve all this, but a win of the next General Election by the right would see a serious shift rightward and a big opportunity lost. Fintan O'Toole has never been taken seriously since he bottled out of standing in the General Election: it is a time of heightened political awareness and debate that needs to be entered into.

    I would hate to see constituencies in which FF / FG / Lab were returned purely because there was no other candidate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    I don't see the two things as cutting across each other.
    This is what the SP said when they pushed the electoralist route near the end of the CAHWT but of course that isn't what happened as in times of elections choices get made about where to put resources and what to prioritise in propaganda etc.

    And this is being repeated again in the anti-water charges movement with the SP building organisational forms that facilitate electioneering and not participating in building organisational forms that encourage working class self-organisation.

    I agree in abstract that it should be possible to do both but it is an issue of what is emphasised. I find assessing that emphasis is a quick and easy guide to where a group fits on the spectrum of revolutionary to reformist versions of socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    Very good.

    FG is to some extent a large farmer / old money party. Clearly, that class is too small to give it a majority so it is out shopping for the best fit group that can. Higher paid PAYE workers seems to be it.

    Hence the good fit wth Labour - the voter base is not that different. Kathleen Lynch this morning was saying that people were not well of at 30,000 - 70,000 p.a. Omitting to say that there is a very big difference between 30,000 and 70,000. Would FG voting kick in at around 50,000 a year, maybe ?

    FG is indifferent to small business, thinking perhaps that FF has it covered, but in reality it has just been set adrift, and as Morgan Kelly says, is drowning, along with the former construction sector. unemployed people, those on low salaries and those under mortgage stress.
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    A few recent pieces on my blog on this issue that may be of interest:

    - A report from the We Won’t Pay protest in Cork on 29 November 2014 - http://revolutionaryprogramme.wordpr...k-29-nov-2014/

    - A leaflet outlining a revolutionary Marxist approach to fighting the water charges "No payment! No meters! Abolish the water charges! Irish working class organise to fight back" - http://revolutionaryprogramme.wordpr...water-charges/

    (I'll be in Dublin distributing hard copies of this leaflet at the big demonstration on 10 December and also this coming Saturday 6 December at the first public meeting of the Communities Against Water Charges group - Trinity Sports & Leisure Club, Donaghmede, 12:00 - 14:00)

    - Some comments on what people are saying about the 10 December protest and what it might result in - "What will happen after 10 December" - http://revolutionaryprogramme.wordpr...r-10-december/

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    bolshevik do you think people are becoming more politically aware and involved, or will everyone just go home once the water charges are abolished?
    The United Irishman. Updated 5/2/14

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant View Post
    I knew there was a reason why I rarely come onto this forum anymore - and it is confirmed with this thread - a handful of internet warriors talking to themselves.

    sorry guys - I'm out of here.
    That's a shame as you were highly entertaining. I have particularly fond memories of your lengthy treatises on how the sister party of the Irish Socialist Party in South Africa was about to make some historic breakthrough and then got, like, two votes in the election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    bolshevik do you think people are becoming more politically aware and involved, or will everyone just go home once the water charges are abolished?
    I am confident that not everyone will just go home. But the percentage that stay active is down to many factors and I don't have a crystal ball good enough to even attempt to make a call on it. All that can be done is to actively engage with the process to try to maximise the numbers who do remain active.

    That being said I am mildly optimistic that there will be a layer of working people who come out of this experience with enough class consciousness that future struggles, as the nature of the capitalist system dictates there will be, will begin on a much higher level.

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    http://www.siptu.ie/media/pressrelea..._18706_en.html

    Therefore, we have sought engagement with the trade unions involved in the current Right2Water Campaign with a view to the development of a common platform on the issue across the movement.

    Pending the outcome of any discussions with the other trade unions, we would encourage members to participate in the Right2Water protest which is scheduled to take place at Leinster House, Merrion Square, Dublin 2 at 1.00 p.m. on Wednesday 10th December 2014, of their own volition, if they are free and available to do so. We believe that every peacefully conducted protest and democratic action has the potential to help further the demands for an adequate supply of water to meet the normal domestic needs of every household at no direct cost and a Referendum to change the Constitution so as to prohibit the privatisation of the public water supply.

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