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    Note the name Kwame Lougue on the poster in the clip. He is the one the people want, he is the successor of Sankara they are looking for.

    History in BF is longer than the recent commentary, there was a very different atmosphere when I was first there in the 80s, Sankara and his allies put in place a socialist system, subsequently undermined by French business interests, he was bumped off.

    Keep in mind in all discussions concerning former French colonies in West Africa that the CFA is still the currency in all of them. It used to be only exchangeable with the French franc, then the French organised for the € to take it into the mix and now it has a marginally wider trade. It used to ensure that French stuff dominated the market, such as telecoms, agricultural gear, etc. In the 'old days' you only ever met French salesmen in the hotels in Ouga.

    Fast forward, Compaore rigged everything with the Quai D'Orsay's agreement, but Hollande's people are not that bothered about French Africa, unlike Sarko and his pals. The result, Compaore does what he likes until he annoys enough people for wanting another 7 years. African countries are always in a state of tension, and then it snaps.... (does that seem like water protests ....

    There is a another generation of better educated people in BF, partly the result of the older regimes' socialism. They may swing things, the army are throwing shapes, but Kwame is a younger army fellow, he may have enough support from his age group.

    Interesting that shots are still being fired, shows the factions are not yet sorted out, some one is still handing out the bullets.

    MeanwhileBF is still in the bottom 10 of the LDCs, it was in the 80s, still is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barrym View Post
    Note the name Kwame Lougue on the poster in the clip. He is the one the people want, he is the successor of Sankara they are looking for.

    History in BF is longer than the recent commentary, there was a very different atmosphere when I was first there in the 80s, Sankara and his allies put in place a socialist system, subsequently undermined by French business interests, he was bumped off.

    Keep in mind in all discussions concerning former French colonies in West Africa that the CFA is still the currency in all of them. It used to be only exchangeable with the French franc, then the French organised for the € to take it into the mix and now it has a marginally wider trade. It used to ensure that French stuff dominated the market, such as telecoms, agricultural gear, etc. In the 'old days' you only ever met French salesmen in the hotels in Ouga.

    Fast forward, Compaore rigged everything with the Quai D'Orsay's agreement, but Hollande's people are not that bothered about French Africa, unlike Sarko and his pals. The result, Compaore does what he likes until he annoys enough people for wanting another 7 years. African countries are always in a state of tension, and then it snaps.... (does that seem like water protests ....

    There is a another generation of better educated people in BF, partly the result of the older regimes' socialism. They may swing things, the army are throwing shapes, but Kwame is a younger army fellow, he may have enough support from his age group.

    Interesting that shots are still being fired, shows the factions are not yet sorted out, some one is still handing out the bullets.

    Meanwhile BF is still in the bottom 10 of the LDCs, it was in the 80s, still is.
    Very interesting, thanks, B.

    By reports, there is no acceptance of having a military regime.

    My guess is that the lesson was learned by the big powers, after the likes of Sankara and Gaddhafi upset the apple tarts by introducing socialist or in some way egalitarian regimes - would they have invested more in training and shaping the armed forces ?

    Sankara's name is still very powerful, as a token of a different way of doing things being possible.
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    What would be wrong if this new General was brought to power by the ongoing revolution?

    I guess we could expect aims to undermine any such regime with 'democracy minded intervention' from the west?

    Burkina Faso is tied to a foreign currency as Barry says, and is one of the poorest countries in the world.

    A radical program of self-development would be interesting as Sankara seemed to be doing very well there in the eighties, improving people's lives, sense of power and access to resources while building roads and railway lines.

    Surely economic development matters more when country is that underdeveloped and looted than some half arsed attempt at democracy?

    How is Burkina Faso coping with Ebola? They are in that neck of the woods, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post

    My guess is that the lesson was learned by the big powers, after the likes of Sankara and Gaddhafi upset the apple tarts by introducing socialist or in some way egalitarian regimes - would they have invested more in training and shaping the armed forces ?
    I would suggest that you learn something about Sankara before lumping him in with Gaddhafi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    What would be wrong if this new General was brought to power by the ongoing revolution?

    I guess we could expect aims to undermine any such regime with 'democracy minded intervention' from the west?

    Burkina Faso is tied to a foreign currency as Barry says, and is one of the poorest countries in the world.

    A radical program of self-development would be interesting as Sankara seemed to be doing very well there in the eighties, improving people's lives, sense of power and access to resources while building roads and railway lines.

    Surely economic development matters more when country is that underdeveloped and looted than some half arsed attempt at democracy?

    How is Burkina Faso coping with Ebola? They are in that neck of the woods, right?
    I don't know about either general, but we are living in a different era to when there was the Soviet Union, and in Africa and elsewhere left-leaning or populist "strong men" got aid from the S.U. or at least a Veto in the Security Council to back them up.

    Sisi in Egypt is just an old school uniformed butcher who says quite openly that " a lot of blood must flow" and has put the army in to the universities to crush student opposition.

    Now the generals are US backed butchers and thieves.

    No, no ebola.
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    Let's see what happens here.

    There weren't hundreds of thousands demanding Sisi's rise to power like with this other fella as Sam says.

    Sankara had very little economic aid from anyone if I recall. They built the rails themselves cos nobody would provide the funding-they had the resources so got down to it as a community effort.

    The food programs and agrarian reforms were operated internally too, as were the literacy programs-maybe other socialist countries helped with the Vaccine programs?

    The UN reps of the time praised him as an uplifter of people's economic, human and social rights, especially with regard to food provision and women's rights/women's access to power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    Let's see what happens here.

    There weren't hundreds of thousands demanding Sisi's rise to power like with this other fella as Sam says.
    There were, actually. Millions - said to have been the biggest mass protest in history.
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    There were, actually. Millions - said to have been the biggest mass protest in history.
    Don't twist my point.

    Obviously I didn't say there were no protests in Egypt.

    I said there were no protests demanding that lad(Sisi's)'s installation, whereas as Sam says this new lad in Burkina Faso is being touted by the Protest groups as the heir to Sankara.

    In Egypt were they Demanding Morsi go, or demanding Sisi come in?

    Weren't those protests mostly in Cairo and Alexandria?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    Don't twist my point.

    Obviously I didn't say there were no protests in Egypt.
    I did not say that you said that.
    I said there were no protests demanding that lad(Sisi's)'s installation, whereas as Sam says this new lad in Burkina Faso is being touted by the Protest groups as the heir to Sankara.
    In Egypt were they Demanding Morsi go, or demanding Sisi come in?

    Weren't those protests mostly in Cairo and Alexandria?[/QUOTE]

    There were mass demonstrations calling for Sisi. Hitler was able to summon up mass demonstrations.

    I'm not saying anything about the Generals, as I've not yet found anything informative to read about them.

    I have not heard the current regime head being described as a Sankara.

    Cairo and Alexandria are the biggest urban centres. There were millions - literally - on the streets calling for the army to get rid of Morsi.

    Sisi just won an election.

    Big protests rock governments, and in that time of instability the standing army is who is ready to step in and "restore order". It's a danger. That's why successful revolutions are very rarely unarmed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    I did not say that you said that.


    In Egypt were they Demanding Morsi go, or demanding Sisi come in?

    Weren't those protests mostly in Cairo and Alexandria?
    There were mass demonstrations calling for Sisi. Hitler was able to summon up mass demonstrations.

    I'm not saying anything about the Generals, as I've not yet found anything informative to read about them.

    I have not heard the current regime head being described as a Sankara.

    Cairo and Alexandria are the biggest urban centres. There were millions - literally - on the streets calling for the army to get rid of Morsi.

    Sisi just won an election.

    Big protests rock governments, and in that time of instability the standing army is who is ready to step in and "restore order". It's a danger. That's why successful revolutions are very rarely unarmed.[/QUOTE]

    No I just mean the Balai Citoyen and the protest movement in Burkina Faso have a General, the man Sam has talked about, and it seems a lot of people see him as Sankara's heir.

    It is shame we haven't got anyone with African connections on here.

    Where's Kev Bar?

    The current army regime taking over though is seen as thieves of the revolution-I love how I can follow the local media as it's all in French there-I'll look more tomorrow, maybe ask the Balai FB group about this.

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    KB is worrying about Gerry Adams.

    Balai Citoyen is said to have been started by 3 musicians. It sounds very like the organisation involved in getting rid of Morsi - non party political, anti corruption, etc

    January 27 Retraction "Broom citizen" movement in Bobo-Dioulasso

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    Regional coordination of movement "Broom citizen" Hauts-basins organized Saturday, January 25, 2014 in Bobo-Dioulasso, a press conference. During the meeting, she made ​​her return and called alternation in Burkina Faso.
    At the start of the press conference, the coordinator of the movement "Brooms citizen," Alexander Diafodé Kaba Diakité, stated that its structure is not a political party.
    According to him, the movement intends to work for popular resistance to social change through citizen action. Therefore, the citizen Broom fight against bad governance, clientelism and corruption. The movement no hidden field whose political circles, social and student among others.
    Politically, the citizen Broom, as its regional coordinator, in preventing any political maneuver and make effective alternation in 2015. To do this, the movement says no to Senate, the amendment of Article 37 of the Constitution and the referendum.
    "We will do everything not to go to referendum, because we want a real democracy. We will arrange tours outreach to raise awareness of people, "said Mr. Diakité.
    He added that the citizen Broom contributed greatly to the success of the march of January 18, organized by the leader of the opposition. The movement has even impose a program to political parties. Indeed, the regional coordinator of the brush citizen Alexander Diafodé Kaba Diakité, argued that this "Plan C" is a real alternative to all the programs of political parties that do not inspire confidence and give no guarantee for social change expected by the population.
    In Bobo-Dioulasso, the citizen Broom has also endorsed the concerns of non-residents-off areas. And to achieve its goals, the movement as a source of funding, volunteering, volunteerism and a quest for its members. To this is added the sale of T-shirt, support the diaspora and calls for contribution. According to the Regional Coordinator, Mr. Diakite, the citizen Broom has implemented strategies to expand, such as from CIBAL (citizen sweeper) clubs web CIBAL clubs
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    +1 on Ghadaffi non-comparison; +1 on the Russkies; +1 on Sissi, maybe on ebola, could be, but not identified, health system is not bad, but 90% of the country has no health support.

    The army has the divisions, in the Stalin v the pope sense, so, they will be in charge, whatever happens. French tv says they'll run the show for a year.

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    So, does anyone know anything about the generals, or the divisions in the army ?
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    Sankara's body, if not his ideas, still being talked about.

    http://ww4report.com/node/13761
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    FYI:

    Parti Communiste Révolutionnaire Voltaïque (PCRV)

    http://pcrv.net/
    Do not rejoice in his defeat, you men. For though the world has stood up and stopped the bastard, the (female dog) that bore him is in heat again. Bertolt Brecht

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