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    Full details of the result, including transfers - here -

    http://irelandelection.com/electiond...d=1&electype=2
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    Very abrupt crash back to the mundane reality of gombeen Ireland after the brief excursion to the sunlit uplands of the Gay vote.

    Heard Aylward's acceptance speech on Radio this morning. He sounded like a tongue tied footballer after some cup win. Incapable of stringing together a few coherent sentences. Heaven help us - to think many of those who voted for him or the Blueshirt will have voted Yes to Gay marriage. A psychiatrist is what we need - not a political analyst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    The Labour Party should really change its name.

    Heavy transfers between it, Renua and FG.
    I so agree Cass.

    Is there anywhere we can complain to so as to stop them bringing the Labour brand and name into further degradation.

    Surely there must have to be some sort of International agreement to be allowed to use the Labour name ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ang View Post
    I so agree Cass.

    Is there anywhere we can complain to so as to stop them bringing the Labour brand and name into further degradation.

    Surely there must have to be some sort of International agreement to be allowed to use the Labour name ?

    And no other socialist opposition so far as I can see.

    The Socialist Party and SWP have liquidated themselves into competing watered down front operations, the AAA and PBP.

    The AAA is not in any meaningful way an alliance with anyone: it's platforms are consistently dominated by SP people. But the policy put forward is much blander and less distinctively left than even Syriza in Greece.

    http://antiausterityalliance.ie/2015...abour-schemes/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Og View Post
    Very abrupt crash back to the mundane reality of gombeen Ireland after the brief excursion to the sunlit uplands of the Gay vote.

    Heard Aylward's acceptance speech on Radio this morning. He sounded like a tongue tied footballer after some cup win. Incapable of stringing together a few coherent sentences. Heaven help us - to think many of those who voted for him or the Blueshirt will have voted Yes to Gay marriage. A psychiatrist is what we need - not a political analyst.
    Ah don't despair, it takes time to change the way people vote. In a rural constituency where the FF/FG vote was ( 67% ) 14% above the National average in GE 2011, their combined vote has plummeted in this by-election to 47.8%. A 20% swing against the Gombeen block in one of their strongholds where the old FG excuse of their voters staying home won't wash off practically a full GE level turnout.

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    An impressive enough show by PBP and AAA from scratch in what wouldn't be within an asses roar of fertile territory for them. Practically the same combined level of support 6.7% as Labour 6.9% took here in a traditionally strong enough Labour area.

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    Yeah but standing 2 candidates negates the chances of a socialist getting elected.

    The best bet is 1 SF and 1 Green out of the 5 seats. The other three will go to FF/FG/RENUA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    Yeah but standing 2 candidates negates the chances of a socialist getting elected.

    The best bet is 1 SF and 1 Green out of the 5 seats. The other three will go to FF/FG/RENUA.
    I'd be confident that FF will take 2 here ( they only missed out on a 2nd by approx 1800 votes in 2011 and took almost 2 quotas yesterday ), SF will take 1 and FG will take one. The last seat being between FG and Renua with an outside chance of Labour being in the mix. The Greens don't have enough purchase outside of Dublin to get into a position to challenge for a seat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    Yeah but standing 2 candidates negates the chances of a socialist getting elected.

    The best bet is 1 SF and 1 Green out of the 5 seats. The other three will go to FF/FG/RENUA.

    Ironically, it may not have been a bad tactic. There was a dearth of Carlow candidates and this probably helped the PBP candidate.

    Standing two people, both known in their own areas, may have garnered a larger joint vote than either would have on their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Ironically, it may not have been a bad tactic. There was a dearth of Carlow candidates and this probably helped the PBP candidate.

    Standing two people, both known in their own areas, may have garnered a larger joint vote than either would have on their own.
    Yeah, cos I'm sure that was what motivated the People's Judean Fronts and not One Upmanship and sectarianism.

    Ironic, as you say.

    Wallace was far more impressive than 'I'm the man to stop the Water Tax' McLiam, as far as PBP and AAA heads go.

    I'm sure Jolly Red will be on before long to give the usual spiel about a 'great track record of splitting the left vote' or some other such nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Ironically, it may not have been a bad tactic. There was a dearth of Carlow candidates and this probably helped the PBP candidate.

    Standing two people, both known in their own areas, may have garnered a larger joint vote than either would have on their own.
    The importance of offering an alternative and getting people to break the cycle of big party politics is not to be underestimated. No AAA or PBP type is going to take a seat here but they can start the process and see where it leads. There are vast swathes of the country where a few percent could be pulled in by these mini parties pushing up their overall vote percentage and giving them some chance of being taken seriously by the electorate.

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    They only have a role to play if they are willing to work with others on the left and Independent Left.

    We don't need fellas who wouldn't vote for a SF led govt. because of rabid style SINDO hysteria.

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