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    Quote Originally Posted by A Marxist Historian View Post
    Lenin was already dead for a decade when the "Holodomor" happened, and would have bitterly opposed Stalin's forced collectivization scheme. He was the man who introduced NEP after all.
    We'll never know what Vladimir Ilyich may or may not have opposed but he was the man who introduced the Red Terror after all, now let's see how that went down in Ukraine, shall we?

    At Odessa the Cheka tied White officers to planks and slowly fed them into furnaces or tanks of boiling water.

    In Kharkiv, scalpings and hand-flayings were commonplace: the skin was peeled off victims' hands to produce "gloves".

    Victims were crucified or stoned to death at Dnipropetrovsk.

    The Cheka at Kremenchuk impaled members of the clergy and buried alive rebelling peasants.

    In Kiev, Cheka detachments placed rats in iron tubes sealed at one end with wire netting and the other placed against the body of a prisoner, with the tubes being heated until the rats gnawed through the victim's body in an effort to escape.
    Thus all which you call Sin, Destruction—in brief, Evil—that is my true element.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalMayhem View Post
    We'll never know what Vladimir Ilyich may or may not have opposed but he was the man who introduced the Red Terror after all, now let's see how that went down in Ukraine, shall we?



    Worth a thread of its own and not on topic inthe contemporary thread. The events were a century ago, and during a civil war, post WW1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalMayhem View Post

    At Odessa the Cheka tied White officers to planks and slowly fed them into furnaces or tanks of boiling water.

    In Kharkiv, scalpings and hand-flayings were commonplace: the skin was peeled off victims' hands to produce "gloves".

    Victims were crucified or stoned to death at Dnipropetrovsk.

    The Cheka at Kremenchuk impaled members of the clergy and buried alive rebelling peasants.

    In Kiev, Cheka detachments placed rats in iron tubes sealed at one end with wire netting and the other placed against the body of a prisoner, with the tubes being heated until the rats gnawed through the victim's body in an effort to escape.
    Total, sources please.

    There has always been so much wrote about the Russian Revolution by people who are vehemently anti socialist that i think its only reasonable to look for sources.
    Sss-hh. Don’t mention the lack of sovereignty in the Irish state.
    The acknowledgement of the 1916 Rising by the Establishment and its nauseating, craven lackeys is simply a political convenience devoid of any real meaning!

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    Sources, and context.

    In 1918 Russia was in post-WW1 starvation. A rat was a luxury/delicacy. Soviet Russia was in the the middle of civil war, attacked by every hostile power globally.

    Context in terms of social revolution and historical context - the Cromwellian English Revolution, the French Revolution.... the former saw he highest numbers of deaths per capita of any recorded war. But how many people say: let's go back to feudalism and the rule of Kings ?
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    TM's just a trolling spanner with an agenda.

    He does not know what history, fact or source mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Worth a thread of its own and not on topic inthe contemporary thread. The events were a century ago, and during a civil war, post WW1.
    I do not agree with this, as it was posted in response to claims that Lenin had nothing do with Russian mass killings in Ukraine. If you may recall, Ukrainians are being smeared in your "contemporary thread" as Lenin statue-toppling Nazi gangs who don't know what's good for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pearse Monnet View Post
    Total, sources please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    A rat was a luxury/delicacy.
    And a formidable instrument of torture for Lenin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    TM's just a trolling spanner with an agenda.

    He does not know what history, fact or source mean.
    And this from the tr0ll who was calling for a "bloodthirsty mob" to throw the Fianna Fáil government to "torches and pitchforks"? You're a real p***er.

    I did provide sources for every fact I pointed out here.
    Last edited by TotalMayhem; 30-09-2014 at 12:46 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalMayhem View Post
    I do not agree with this, as it was posted in response to claims that Lenin had nothing do with Russian mass killings in Ukraine. If you may recall, Ukrainians are being smeared in your "contemporary thread" as Lenin statue-toppling Nazi gangs who don't know what's good for them.
    Your view is noted.

    There is more opportunity to make that case on a dedicated thread than on the busy thread on contemporary Ukraine events..

    You have not made any case that events in 1900s in Russia are excuses for Ne-fascist killings in Ukraine 2014: By all means go ahead in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Your view is noted.

    There is more opportunity to make that case on a dedicated thread than on the busy thread on contemporary Ukraine events..

    You have not made any case that events in 1900s in Russia are excuses for Ne-fascist killings in Ukraine 2014: By all means go ahead in this thread.
    So you're saying the Russians ravaging Ukraine for centuries has got nothing to do with today's anti-Russian sentiment in Ukraine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalMayhem View Post
    So you're saying the Russians ravaging Ukraine for centuries has got nothing to do with today's anti-Russian sentiment in Ukraine?
    Keep digging
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    And the Red Terror was by no means limited to Ukraine, although they've got the worst of it.

    Besides, we did discuss the Red Terror at length in our Leon Trotsky thread... you know, "shoot them like partridges."
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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalMayhem View Post
    And the Red Terror was by no means limited to Ukraine, although they've got the worst of it.

    Besides, we did discuss the Red Terror at length in our Leon Trotsky thread... you know, "shoot them like partridges."
    God help, you are worrying about this back in 1918, when 21,000 are dying of want, day by day today..

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    God help, you are worrying about this back in 1918, when 21,000 are dying of want, day by day today..
    You seem to forget how we got here, or maybe you're just deliverately obfuscating the facts.

    You "contemporary thread" has been spammed today with reports of Nazi hordes toppling yet another a Lenin statue in Ukraine. As much as it may hurt your Communist feelings, the Ukrainians have a long tradition of toppling Lenin statues (see my link to "Leninopad" in the other thread) and they have indeed plenty reasons for getting rid of them.
    Last edited by TotalMayhem; 30-09-2014 at 12:46 AM.
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