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    On September 10th the founding congress of the “People's Front” political party in the Ukraine was held. The new party is led by Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk and speaker of the Rada, Oleksandr Turchynov. It also includes two current government ministers, Interior Minister Arsen Avakov, and Justice Minister Pavlo Petrenko. Other well know members are former National Security and Defense Council Secretary, Andriy Parubiy, and the former head of the National Anti-Corruption committee, Tetiana Chornovol. Both resigned from the current government in recent months. We will return to them later.

    The new party has been viewed as a splinter of the Batkyvschyna party of former prime minister and oligarch Yulia Tymoshenko.

    The first noteworthy thing about the new party is that media sources have suggested it is being funded by the oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky. Business News Europe for example states:
    Oleh Lyashko's success with his Radical Party is widely attributed to his backing by former head of the presidential administration Serhiy Lyovochkin and the TV channel Inter that Lyovochkin co-owns with gas oligarch Dmitry Firtash. Pundits say that Yatsenyuk has struck out on his own with People's Front after being promised support by Firtash' bitter rival, oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky, owner of Ukraine's largest bank Privat and one of Ukraine's largest TV channels 1+1, and currently also governor of the wealthy Dnipropetrovsk*region. *Kolomoisky has funded volunteer battalions fighting in the east, commanders of which were present at the founding of People's Front on September 10.
    http://www.bne.eu/content/story/yats...-peoples-front

    As the article notes, Kolomoisky is closely associated with the fascist paramilitary battalions. His name has also cropped up with regards to the tragic events in the Trade Union Building in Odessa.

    Interesting photos from the founding congress of the Peoples Front can be viewed here.
    http://www.hromadske.tv/politics/na-...redstavili-no/

    These photographs illustrate a second noteworthy thing about the party, namely the number of prominent paramilitary leaders who attended the launch. These have apparently been formed into a “military council”. Why a political party would require a military council is not readily understood. The most significant of these leaders is Andriy Biletsky, the head of the “Azov” battalion, the most openly fascist of the paramilitary battalions. Biletsky is also the leader of the Social-National Assembly of Ukraine and it's paramilitary wing Patriot of Ukraine. Accordng to wiki:
    The Patriot of Ukraine (Ukrainian: Патріо́т Украї́ни) is a Ukrainian nationalist organization with racist and neo-Nazi political beliefs. It constitutes a paramilitary wing of the Social-National Assembly of Ukraine (S.N.A.), an assemblage of neo-Nazi organizations and groups founded in 2008 that share the social-national ideology and agree upon building a social-national state in Ukraine. Both the "Patriot of Ukraine" and the S.N.A. engage in political violence against minorities and their political opponents. The leader of the "Patriot of Ukraine" and of the Social-National Assembly is Andriy Biletsky.
    The political ideology of the SNA has been summed up by the analyst Anton Shekhovtsov as follows:

    The SNA is a neo-Nazi movement, which has always been too extreme for the Right Sector. According to its official documents, its 'nationalism is racial, social, great-power imperialist, anti-systemic (anti-democratic and anti-capitalist), self-sufficient, militant and uncompromising'. Its ideology 'builds on maximalist attitudes, national and racial egoism,' while glorifying the Ukrainian nation as part of the 'White Race.'
    At the time of the February coup Biletsky was languishing in jail along with other prominent Patriot of Ukraine members, Ihor Mykhailenko and Vitaliy Kniazhesky, for a gun attack on a prominent anti-fascist journalist Serhiy Kolesnyk. Within days the three (along with other imprisoned Nazis) were freed on foot of a special Rada bill.

    The open incorporation of a Nazi like Biletsky into the party of Yatsenyuk and Turchynov shows that it is no longer possible to separate “liberal democrats” from fascists in the Ukraine. Any lines of distinction have now been blurred. Platforms are shared, political parties are shared, etc. This can also be seen in the Radical Party of Lyashko's which is tipped to gain anything up to 20% of the vote in the forthcoming parliamentary elections. Lyashko has lured many SNA activists from the Right Sector in recent months and in the May 2014 Kyiv city council elections the following SNA members ran for the Radical Party: Oleh Odnorozhenko (SNA's main ideologue), Ihor Mosychuk (second in command of the Azov), Ihor Kryvoruchko, and Volodymyr Shpara.

    Establishment Politics in the Ukraine has moved sharply to the right. Extreme nationalism is now espoused by all the bourgeois parties. The Banderaite slogans “Hail Ukraine” and “Glory to the Heroes” are now main stream. Within this, however, there are various groupings representing different oligarchs, with differing connections to “western” imperialism and prepared to embrace far right extremism to differing degrees. Lyashko represents the oligarch Firtash, in the People's Front we have linked Yatsenyuk (Washingtons man), the oligarch Kolomoisky and various paramilitary forces. Many of the Nazis in the Ukraine have recognised the collapse of barriers between themselves and “liberals” and availing of open doors have abandoned party building and moved into “mainstream” parties.

    Aside from Andriy Biletsky and the other paramilitary leaders there are two other prominent individuals associated with the People's Front which, to my mind, mark it as a clear and present danger to the Ukrainian working class. These are Andriy Parubiy and Tetiana Chornovol. Parubiy I described early this year during the Maidan protests as possibly the most dangerous individual in the Ukraine. He was the founder of the Social-National Party of the Ukraine (the forerunner of Svoboda) and is also a former leader of the Nazi paramilitary Patriot of Ukraine group. He left these organisations in 2004 to infiltrate the establishment parties. He was one of the main leaders of the “Orange Revolution” in 2004 and was a commander and in charge of “security” during the Maidan protests. His name has often appeared in discussions of the sniping attacks on the Maidan. After the coup he was appointed Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council which oversaw the “ATO” against Eastern Ukraine. Chornovol, who is often described as an anti-corruption activist is also of the far right and cut her political teeth in the Nazi UNA-UNSO organisation which was notorious for sending fighters to the Transnistrian, Abkhaz and Cechen conflicts. Her husband, Nikolai Beryozovoi, was killed last month in the fighting in east Ukraine. Not surprisingly, he was a member of the openly fascist, Azov Battalion. Both Parubiy and Chornovol resigned from the government recently. He refused to give a reason while she stated that no inroads were being made in tackling corruption. It is interesting, therefore, that both have seen fit to set up a new party with prominent members of the government. It is possibly because this party will be placed significantly to the right of the Poroshenko Bloc, as shown by Yatsenyuk's recent attacks on cease fire initiatives, and who knows what plans US imperialism has for it and it's “military council” if the situation the Ukraine continues to deteriorate.
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    In fairness Sam, anybody not a Stalinist is surely a Fascist in your book? Stalinists regard Trotskyites, Republicans, social democrats and anybody of the left not a Stalinist as a 'bourgeois reactionary' and 'apologist for Fascism'.

    Point taken on the junta though, but do we really need another 24/7 Ukraine thread? The other one between yourself, Slim and TM is hard enough to keep up with already.

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    In fairness Sam, anybody not a Stalinist is surely a Fascist in your book? Stalinists regard Trotskyites, Republicans, social democrats and anybody of the left not a Stalinist as a 'bourgeois reactionary' and 'apologist for Fascism'.
    Your view of my political views is mildly interesting if only to the extent of which it is seriously misguided. I have no problems with republicans, for example. In an Irish context my politics would best be described as Socialist Republican. I know what Trotskyites and Social Democrats are but with regard to "Stalinists" I have no idea what you are talking about. I have pointed out to others on this site before that there is no such ideology as "Stalinism" in my opinion. "Stalinist' is really just an anti-communist term of abuse as far as I can see.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    Point taken on the junta though, but do we really need another 24/7 Ukraine thread? The other one between yourself, Slim and TM is hard enough to keep up with already.
    I though that it might make an interesting political discussion in it's own right. I was also (to be honest) thinking that our fearless (though regrettably Trotskyite influenced ) leader might pick it up for a Blog post.
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    In fairness Sam, anybody not a Stalinist is surely a Fascist in your book? Stalinists regard Trotskyites, Republicans, social democrats and anybody of the left not a Stalinist as a 'bourgeois reactionary' and 'apologist for Fascism'.
    I would also point out that Andriy Biletsky is a Nazi. It is not my opinion that he is a Nazi ... he would tell you that himself. It is surely of interest that in the Ukraine a new political party, containing many prominent bourgeois politicians including Washington's hand picked Prime Minister, has no problem having him as a member or putting him on stage at it's founding congress. In what other "liberal democracy" would you get this? The position has always been one of putting clear water between liberals and Nazis. That this is being reversed in one "liberal democracy" (which sees itself as soon being part of the EU) is surely of some political significance? And that is without even going into the significance of the "military council".
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    This is a worrying development. Not happy with the increasing number of banned political parties either.
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    Excellent OP.
    Why don't we hear this kind of information and analysis in the mainstream media? ........'tis a mystery fit to confound Dennis O'Brien so it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eamo View Post
    Excellent OP.
    Why don't we hear this kind of information and analysis in the mainstream media?
    LOL, you'll hear this kind of disinformation and Putinist propaganda everywhere in the Russian mainstream media.

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    This is a worrying development.
    What is? Sam Lord opening yet another thread for his Stalinist defamation campaign? Don't worry, I'll have an eye on him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    In fairness Sam, anybody not a Stalinist is surely a Fascist in your book? Stalinists regard Trotskyites, Republicans, social democrats and anybody of the left not a Stalinist as a 'bourgeois reactionary' and 'apologist for Fascism'.

    Point taken on the junta though, but do we really need another 24/7 Ukraine thread? The other one between yourself, Slim and TM is hard enough to keep up with already.
    Do you know that the organisations that SL says are fascist are openly self-describing fascists and neo nazis ? Why do you dismiss what is said ? Even the heavily biased mainstream western press who have interviewed Biletsky of the Azov Battalion in the last couple of weeks says that he and it are fascist.

    I think perhaps because of Ireland's neutrality in WW2 and also because of the deep-going influence of the Roman Catholic Church which backed Franco, there is no real understanding here any more of fascism. That was not the case in the 1930s when Irish workers whupped the backsides of the wannabe fascist forebears of Fine Gael.

    Fascism is pure political reaction: it is a form of politics used by the capitalist class when they have need to wipe out large numbers of people to restore their sliding rates of profit. There is no level of cruelty and destruction that it doesn't relish.

    Very good OP. A few links to sources would be the icing on the cake.
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    LOL, you'll hear this kind of disinformation and Putinist propaganda everywhere in the Russian mainstream media.

    What is? Sam Lord opening yet another thread for his Stalinist defamation campaign? Don't worry, I'll have an eye on him.
    What disinformation ? Any of the facts wrong ?
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    On September 10th the founding congress of the “People's Front” political party in the Ukraine was held. The new party is led by Prime Minister Arseny Yatsenyuk and speaker of the Rada, Oleksandr Turchynov. It also includes two current government ministers, Interior Minister Arsen Avakov, and Justice Minister Pavlo Petrenko. Other well know members are former National Security and Defense Council Secretary, Andriy Parubiy, and the former head of the National Anti-Corruption committee, Tetiana Chornovol. Both resigned from the current government in recent months. We will return to them later.

    The new party has been viewed as a splinter of the Batkyvschyna party of former prime minister and oligarch Yulia Tymoshenko.

    The first noteworthy thing about the new party is that media sources have suggested it is being funded by the oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky. Business News Europe for example states:


    http://www.bne.eu/content/story/yats...-peoples-front

    As the article notes, Kolomoisky is closely associated with the fascist paramilitary battalions. His name has also cropped up with regards to the tragic events in the Trade Union Building in Odessa.

    Interesting photos from the founding congress of the Peoples Front can be viewed here.
    http://www.hromadske.tv/politics/na-...redstavili-no/

    These photographs illustrate a second noteworthy thing about the party, namely the number of prominent paramilitary leaders who attended the launch. These have apparently been formed into a “military council”. Why a political party would require a military council is not readily understood. The most significant of these leaders is Andriy Biletsky, the head of the “Azov” battalion, the most openly fascist of the paramilitary battalions. Biletsky is also the leader of the Social-National Assembly of Ukraine and it's paramilitary wing Patriot of Ukraine. Accordng to wiki:

    The political ideology of the SNA has been summed up by the analyst Anton Shekhovtsov as follows:



    At the time of the February coup Biletsky was languishing in jail along with other prominent Patriot of Ukraine members, Ihor Mykhailenko and Vitaliy Kniazhesky, for a gun attack on a prominent anti-fascist journalist Serhiy Kolesnyk. Within days the three (along with other imprisoned Nazis) were freed on foot of a special Rada bill.

    The open incorporation of a Nazi like Biletsky into the party of Yatsenyuk and Turchynov shows that it is no longer possible to separate “liberal democrats” from fascists in the Ukraine. Any lines of distinction have now been blurred. Platforms are shared, political parties are shared, etc. This can also be seen in the Radical Party of Lyashko's which is tipped to gain anything up to 20% of the vote in the forthcoming parliamentary elections. Lyashko has lured many SNA activists from the Right Sector in recent months and in the May 2014 Kyiv city council elections the following SNA members ran for the Radical Party: Oleh Odnorozhenko (SNA's main ideologue), Ihor Mosychuk (second in command of the Azov), Ihor Kryvoruchko, and Volodymyr Shpara.

    Establishment Politics in the Ukraine has moved sharply to the right. Extreme nationalism is now espoused by all the bourgeois parties. The Banderaite slogans “Hail Ukraine” and “Glory to the Heroes” are now main stream. Within this, however, there are various groupings representing different oligarchs, with differing connections to “western” imperialism and prepared to embrace far right extremism to differing degrees. Lyashko represents the oligarch Firtash, in the People's Front we have linked Yatsenyuk (Washingtons man), the oligarch Kolomoisky and various paramilitary forces. Many of the Nazis in the Ukraine have recognised the collapse of barriers between themselves and “liberals” and availing of open doors have abandoned party building and moved into “mainstream” parties.

    Aside from Andriy Biletsky and the other paramilitary leaders there are two other prominent individuals associated with the People's Front which, to my mind, mark it as a clear and present danger to the Ukrainian working class. These are Andriy Parubiy and Tetiana Chornovol. Parubiy I described early this year during the Maidan protests as possibly the most dangerous individual in the Ukraine. He was the founder of the Social-National Party of the Ukraine (the forerunner of Svoboda) and is also a former leader of the Nazi paramilitary Patriot of Ukraine group. He left these organisations in 2004 to infiltrate the establishment parties. He was one of the main leaders of the “Orange Revolution” in 2004 and was a commander and in charge of “security” during the Maidan protests. His name has often appeared in discussions of the sniping attacks on the Maidan. After the coup he was appointed Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council which oversaw the “ATO” against Eastern Ukraine. Chornovol, who is often described as an anti-corruption activist is also of the far right and cut her political teeth in the Nazi UNA-UNSO organisation which was notorious for sending fighters to the Transnistrian, Abkhaz and Cechen conflicts. Her husband, Nikolai Beryozovoi, was killed last month in the fighting in east Ukraine. Not surprisingly, he was a member of the openly fascist, Azov Battalion. Both Parubiy and Chornovol resigned from the government recently. He refused to give a reason while she stated that no inroads were being made in tackling corruption. It is interesting, therefore, that both have seen fit to set up a new party with prominent members of the government. It is possibly because this party will be placed significantly to the right of the Poroshenko Bloc, as shown by Yatsenyuk's recent attacks on cease fire initiatives, and who knows what plans US imperialism has for it and it's “military council” if the situation the Ukraine continues to deteriorate.
    It is not conceivable that Nuland's "Yats" would do this without a nod from the US.

    I posted a while back that in my view a case could be make that Ukraine had become /was becoming a fascist state as it had incorporated the neo-nazi forces into the National Guard. The politicians were unable to or uninterested in resisting demands of the neo nazis. Neo Nazis could force people out of public office by beating them (on camera in many cases) and by threatening them and their families with murder. Indeed the ousting of the PM was achieved that way. Opposition party headquarters were burned down or taken over.

    Electoral democracy in those circumstances was the merest window dressing.

    The appearance on the scene of the oligarch battalions was something else. Imagine that Denis O'Brien, Dermot Desmond or Quinn were sponsoring regiments to go down to Limerick or Cork to crush local aspirations of regional devolution...

    Someone on PW predicted that the situation would deteriorate as did Afghanistan, when it was host to a US proxy war against Russia, to a failed state ruled by war lords. At the time I thought that was extreme, but this is certainly a step in that direction. What is shaping up is a series of semi territorial oligarch war lords who share and contest power. Who loses are the people who are not part of an armed nazi regiment and who have to do what they are told or get beaten up or killed. You have posted youtubes of youths being treated like that in Azov occupied territory in the East.

    At some stage we will be told that Ukraine needs the help of a NATO force to sort it out.
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    What disinformation ? Any of the facts wrong ?
    We know Sam Lord is seeing Nazis everywhere except of course among the Russian terrorists who are infested with ultra-nationalist fascists. Had Russia not been waging war against Ukraine, nobody would have ever heard of these "Patriots of Ukraine" and they'd be still working as night-club bouncers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TotalMayhem View Post
    We know Sam Lord is seeing Nazis everywhere except of course among the Russian terrorists who are infested with ultra-nationalist fascists. Had Russia not been waging war against Ukraine, nobody would have ever heard of these "Patriots of Ukraine" and they'd be still working as night-club bouncers.
    Nothing there worth responding to.
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    I would also point out that Andriy Biletsky is a Nazi. It is not my opinion that he is a Nazi ... he would tell you that himself. It is surely of interest that in the Ukraine a new political party, containing many prominent bourgeois politicians including Washington's hand picked Prime Minister, has no problem having him as a member or putting him on stage at it's founding congress. In what other "liberal democracy" would you get this? The position has always been one of putting clear water between liberals and Nazis. That this is being reversed in one "liberal democracy" (which sees itself as soon being part of the EU) is surely of some political significance? And that is without even going into the significance of the "military council".
    Of course that's true. The other question of mine was just for my own info. I would class myself as a Republican/independent left though that would leave anybody in Ireland with few political options. I think Fis Nua would be a welcome shake up on the Irish political scene as a Green socialist party interested in currency reform and abandoning a growth model economy. Their views, like my own on the euro and the EU though are not all that popular as most Irish people are too scared of the EU and leaving the euro to contemplate any serious alternative model, even one as moderate and Republican minded as being a country with similar status to Iceland and Norway.

    It's no secret that the Ukrainian junta has been collaborating with nazis. To any of us not guided by some intense Russiaphobia, this has been clear from the outset, especially after the revelations of the Estonian government in that bugged call to Catherine Ashton.

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    An interesting and comprehensive evaluation of Yatsenjuk from a "Confidential" State Department cable released by Wikileaks in 2008.

    12. (SBU) An opinion poll conducted by the Ukrainian Sociology Services in April-May indicated that 33 percent of respondents supported the idea of a new "third way" political party. When asked who should lead this party, Yatsenyuk was the top choice, with 13 percent of respondents selecting him...

    As PM or President, he would likely be reform oriented, while relying on his political ties to get laws passed. His economic background suggests he would approach foreign policy from an economic standpoint, but he has shown himself open to NATO cooperation and his think tank demonstrates that he is cognizant of Ukraine's international image. 17. (U) Visit Embassy Kyiv's classified website: www.state.sgov.gov/p/eur/kiev
    Yatsenyuk is himself massively wealthy and has used some of his wealth to run the "Open Ukraine Society" think tank, which has a pretty familiar ring to it.

    That was six years ago. It is interesting to see how the US observes, selects, grooms, cultivates and coaches politicians who in due course can be relied on to comply with US wishes down the line.
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    Very good post Sam... telling that the only "rebuttal" is calling you a Stalinist - a term which has no meaning beyond being intended as an insult.

    You nailed in many months ago when you said that "the genie is out of the bottle". The fascists have gained more power beyond even that which they had in their wildest dreams. The writing was on the wall once the agreement between the moderates and the legitimate government of Ukraine was brushed aside by the fascists, from that point on they took the lead and others, like the liberal democrats, meekly fell into line.

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