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    Worth getting a thread going on this crowd now I think.

    Hiredknaves has been writing and translating lots but this is also a good piece on lay of land in Spain.

    An interesting development and perhaps something to optimistic about



    All political trends in the Spanish state—right and left, all-Spanish, nationalist and regionalist—now have no choice but to respond to Podemos if they are to defend their existing bases of support.

    The threat for the right is that the “Podemos effect” makes the leftward-moving social mood increasingly visible, delegitimising the ruling PP and its parliamentary majority and increasing the price of its refusing calls for an early national election. It may have temporarily taken wind from the sails of those within the PP who always want to shift even further right—led by former prime minister José María Aznar and PP think tank the Foundation for Analysis and Social Studies (FAES)—but the national government of prime minister Mariano Rajoy now faces an even harder job in winning back the party’s departed “non-political” millions, most of whom just didn´t vote on May 25.

    To date the Rajoy master plan consists of tax cut bribery, a crude crusade to make the Catalan national movement appear like a sinister threat to the living standards and security of everyone else in the Spanish state, a fear-and-loathing assault on Podemos and Iglesias and a fingers-crossed hope that abstainers in the European poll will come back for the municipal, regional and national elections in 2015 and 2016.

    The threat for the PSOE is that a sizeable portion of its departed millions have now found a new political home, making the PSOE’s message that “there’s no realistic governmental alternative to us” more hollow and its long-awaited but never-arriving revival even more difficult. The PSOE’s odds of resuscitation will depend more directly than ever on whether the forces to its left can project a convincing governmental alternative in time.

    For IU the threat is that sections of its voting base, especially younger voters, will switch to Podemos, and that the raw newcomer will even become its senior partner in negotiations over left unity. The Podemos vote exceeded IU’s in seven autonomous communities, including those where the anti-austerity struggle has been fiercest, such as Madrid and the Balearic Islands. Podemos’s emergence has increased tensions within IU between those who tend to treat the newcomer as “radical social democrats” without a “class line”, and those, most prominent at the regional and local level, who seek greater collaboration with the new force in a perspective of increasing unity of all anti-austerity forces.

    The June 26 Gesop poll for Catalonia showed that IU will face serious competition even in the regions where the Podemos May 25 vote was lowest (4.7% in Catalonia). While the alliance between Initiative for Catalonia Greens (ICV) and the United and Alternative Left (EUiA, IU in Catalonia) would win 11-12 seats, Podemos would be breathing down its neck with 9-10 seats.

    A June 29 Balearic Institute of Social Studies survey of voting intentions showed Podemos winning five seats in the Balearic Islands 59-seat parliament to IU’s 3-4 (with the hated local PP government of Juan Ramon Bauzá losing its majority).

    Thus, just when the results of May 25 open for IU “the possibility of unfolding electorally the political and social bloc we have theorised” (IU’s European Elections 2014 Report), the left coalition’s leading role in forming that bloc comes into question and the need to relate seriously and consistently to Podemos becomes a critical imperative.

    At first glance, Podemos poses least political challenge to left-nationalist forces like ANOVA, the CUP and the various coalitions centred on the Basque abertzale (patriotic) left and its party Sortu. However, Podemos’s presence in Euskadi, Navarra, Catalonia and Galicia confronts left activists there with the question as to where their energy is best put—into advancing the cause of national independence or into making left gains in the all-of-Spain political struggle, especially as both Podemos and IU stand for the nationalities’ right to decide.

    An indicator of Podemos’s potential impact on left nationalism in Catalonia came in the June Gesop poll: with its 9-10 seats Podemos would leap over the CUP’s six.

    A month after May 25, and three weeks after the abdication of King Juan Carlos, the new political dynamic is clear. As old political loyalties break down, the normal struggle to defend existing social bases or win away those of rivals, speeds up, especially as the chances of the left achieving a majority over the PP have dramatically increased in a number of autonomous communities as well as in a string of major cities.

    If the poll are accurate, the thorny question of how to relate to the PSOE when the broadly defined parties of the left have a majority—and which to date has tested IU in Andalusia (where it governs with the PSOE), in Asturias (where it supports a PSOE-only government against the right) and in Extremadura (where it allows the PP to govern)—will soon land in the lap of Podemos.

    The result of the Podemos shock is a flurry of soul-searching and debate about renewal—in the PSOE but also in IU. As for Podemos itself, this politically quite heterogeneous platform now has the job of consolidating itself as a stable organisation, and this under a glaring and usually hostile media spotlight and a now permanent assault from panicked political rivals bent on wrecking it. In this testing context, a quite sharp discussion has broken out about Podemos’s structures and decision-making processes as it heads towards its founding national assembly in October.

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    Pablo Iglesias and Podemos must be doing something right. The right wing daily El Mundo had a piece yesterday trying to smear Iglesias because of his support for an ETA prisoners support organisation.

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    Iglesias's speech as Presidential candidate to the EU Parliament. A good start

    It is an honour to speak to you all in presenting my candidacy for the presidency of this chamber. This parliament is called upon to represent the sovereignty of Europe and we must, fellow deputies, live up to what that means today.
    The dream of Europe has been buried many times but it always managed to awake once again. This is what happened nearly 70 years ago: Europe awoke again in the resistance of its peoples against fascism, in the survivors of the extermination camps, in those who gave their lives for justice and for freedom. Thousands of my own compatriots, who had struggled to defend democracy in Spain, took part in that struggle and that dream of justice. You cannot imagine the pride I have as a Spanish person that the first tanks that entered Paris to liberate it were manned by Spanish combatants. Today, as intolerance and xenophobia threaten us once again, I want to call upon Europe’s memory of antifascism, and that of all those peoples who love freedom and democracy.
    My fellow deputies, the best of our continent and our common history was forged in the revolutions that made the people the subject of rights, above kings, gods, noblemen and major property owners. The best heritage of Europe is the will of its citizens to be free and to be the serfs of no-one. To be no-one’s serf, my fellow deputies, that is democracy.
    That is why I must tell you today that the peoples to whom we owe our social freedoms and rights did not struggle for a Europe in which its people live in fear of poverty, of exclusion, of unemployment or of abandonment when faced with illness. The expropriation of sovereignty and subjection to the rule of financial elites threaten the present and the future of Europe, they threaten our dignity, they threaten equality, liberty and fraternity, they threaten our life in common.
    The creation of new supranational entities does not have to come at the price of leaving the citizens helpless. Our peoples are not children, nor are they colonies of any investment fund. They did not win and defend their freedom so as to hand it over to a financial oligarchy. These are not abstract terms, my fellow deputies: all of you are well aware of the problem.
    The ease with which lobbies in the service of major corporations move around here is scandalous, as are the revolving doors that turn public representatives into millionaires in the pay of big businesses. We have to say it loud and clear: this way of operating robs the peoples of their sovereignty, attacks democracy, and turns political representatives into a caste.
    My fellow deputies, democracy in Europe has been the victim of authoritarian erosion. In the European periphery the situation is tragic: our countries have almost become protectorates, new colonies, where powers that no-one has elected are destroying social rights and threatening the social and political cohesion of our societies.
    We learned from Latin America that external debt is designed in order to be unpayable, and that the countries that have grown the most did so with a substantial write-down and a public audit of their debt. All of us in this chamber are aware of the debt forgiveness that was granted not so long ago to Germany. This is not merely a question of justice, it has to do with European integration and with democracy: debt today is a mechanism of control and robbery of the peoples of the south. This is what is happening in those countries that some, with a certain racism, name as PIGS. But I suppose that you are aware that there is no Europe without its peoples of the South, just as there is no Europe without its peoples of the East, who are also subjected to the harsh conditions of the Troika, whose direction threatens to destroy the European project, leaving a trail of misery, poverty and violence.
    But there is another way. There is an alternative to the policies of impoverishment and taking sovereignty hostage. This Parliament, at this critical hour for Europe, must live up to what is expected of it, it must show responsiveness and become the epicentre of a democratic shake-up of the European Union, a shake-up that puts a stop to the Troika’s authoritarian course. This Parliament must express the basic democratic legitimacy that brings us all here, the voice of the citizens, and not deals struck among elites. The European Parliament can not be a consolation prize, nor a golden retirement.
    My fellow deputies, today I am not addressing a chamber of five, six or seven parliamentary groupings. Nor am I addressing the party machines. I am addressing you, fellow members of the European Parliament, because you have a contract of political responsibility signed with your peoples. I am addressing the democrats and their consciences. Our first fidelity, to which all others must be subordinate, is to the citizens who have elected us. These people are not in the corridors of this building, nor in the hotels that surround this chamber. But remember: they are the sovereigns and sooner or later they will seek accountability for what has been done in their name.
    I am also especially addressing my MEP colleagues from the countries of the south of Europe. You have seen the real consequences of the policies imposed by the Troika. You know that austerity policies have failed: our countries today are poorer, their economies destroyed, with societies wounded by injustice and institutions crumbling in corruption and discredit. You know that it is time to help our countries stand up again. I ask you today that you vote as Greeks, as Irish, as Portuguese, as Italians, as Czechs, as Polish, as Romanians, as Spaniards. Not only so that you can look your people in the face when you return home, but because in this way you will be defending Europe. I seek your vote conscious of the fact that many of you are not in agreement with this taking hostage of democracy, knowing that many of you are sincerely committed to the wellbeing of your peoples. I ask for your vote to put a stop to the grand coalition that is imposing austerity and financial totalitarianism.
    I want to address my final words to the citizens and peoples of Europe who have gone out onto the streets during these years in order to defend social justice and democracy. To the millions who have said enough in the squares of Europe, I want to say to you that you are the pride, the democratic heart of Europe. Keep the flag of dignity flying high. We peoples of Europe have gone through worse situations and we have shaken off the despots. I do not know if today we will be able to take the presidency of this parliament away from the grand coalition but if you keep on pushing us I assure you that we will win. Tomorrow is ours.
    It seems that he urges default, Argentinian style. Podemos appears to aim at progressive nationalism, and defence of the individual democratic rights made under parliamentary national democracies. In an era in which these are under ferocious attack, what would a few years ago have been moderate is now a confrontational stance. No mention of socialism, or any left goals. It is understandable that Podemos will get support, as people are injured by the centre right and right parties, and have little confidence in the left - or may in some cases be opposed to it.

    http://hiredknaves.wordpress.com/201...talitarianism/


    Would it be fair to say that Podemos is a political organisation of similar social base ot "Occupy"? And that is pretty amorphous and with most political goals undetermined.

    I'm glad he starts out with a firm attack on fascism.
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
    — Jean-Paul Sartre

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    Hiredknaves has been asked to write a letter from Ireland to read at the podemos assembly and a good one it is too

    http://hiredknaves.wordpress.com/201...emos-assembly/

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    Clocking up 15% in the latest opinion polls which is quite something for a party which was only founded a few months back. The PP is on 30% and the PSOE is at an unprecedented low of 21%.

    http://vozpopuli.com/actualidad/4754...o-segun-el-cis

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    which is quite something for a party which was only founded a few months back.
    The benefit of various political awakenings and mobilisations since 2011 to back them up innit.

    That poll is nearly double the EU election vote in May. People starting to believe maybe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    Caught a few anti-fascism, liberties and democracies. What got him the round of applause ?
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe View Post
    Clocking up 15% in the latest opinion polls which is quite something for a party which was only founded a few months back. The PP is on 30% and the PSOE is at an unprecedented low of 21%.

    http://vozpopuli.com/actualidad/4754...o-segun-el-cis
    The thing is, according to CIS, (spanish CSO) they are ahead of the PSOE on direct intention of vote and just behind the PP, i.e. before they start formulating...

    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Caught a few anti-fascism, liberties and democracies. What got him the round of applause ?
    The applause was after he said he wanted to 'revindicate the european memory of anti-fascism and that of all those countries who love liberty and democracy'.. applause.

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    Podemos certainly have the right worried. Here's Telemadrid journalist Hermann Tertsch losing the plot.....
    Quick and dirty translation:
    ….given the conditions of 1936 they would kill me, they would kill many people without any problem. If the conditions returned that they consider it necessary to kill people, they would kill people, and they will kill people if they have the chance and they will kill freely if they are in power or if they are close to power or if power protects them; they will also kill people over political questions. I haven’t the slightest doubt .

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    Didn't the republicans mostly shoot fascists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    Didn't the republicans mostly shoot fascists?
    That's only a minor detail. On Telemadrid he's preaching to the converted anyway. It's more or less run by the PP.

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    I shouldn't be but am very optimistic about podemos

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    Podemos is now causing ructions in the PSOE. Leader Pedro Sanchez has dismissed the party as populists and has said that there won't be a pact before, during or after an election. That's not going down well with the Andalucian section of the PSOE or the party's number two who have distanced themselves from Sanchez's position.

    http://www.eldiario.es/politica/Prim...302720094.html

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    question is why podemos would want anything to with pose

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