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    Protests against rocketing energy prices have been going on for a week in Sofia, and other cities, but tens of thousands came out today. There were reportedly "battles with the police" and political heads have started to roll.

    Bulgaria in the poorest state in Europe.

    Looks like a massive demonstration today in Sofia

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvWd0gKacE"]Protest in Sofia against high electricity bills 17.02.2013 in Full HD - YouTube[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n-bCHQtjU4"]Protests against energy monopoly in Varna, Bulgaria - February 13, pt 22 - YouTube[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEwiggZrXmA"]Protest against energy monopolies - Veliko Tarnovo, Bulgaria pt 10 - YouTube[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4exm3G6Evo"]Protest against energy monopolies - Veliko Tarnovo, Bulgaria - YouTube[/ame]


    http://sofiaglobe.com/2013/02/17/cla...ity-companies/

    http://www.independent.ie/world-news...-29076559.html

    http://sofiaglobe.com/2013/02/17/bul...ling-business/
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    The Government fell today.
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    Welcome to peak oil...

    What happens when the masses realise their governments don't have a solution?? What good does it do toppling the government?? The next one won't be able to do much. And if enough governments did decide to lower duty, demand would rise and the price would just go up again.

    Finite resource..
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    Quote Originally Posted by morticia View Post
    Welcome to peak oil...

    What happens when the masses realise their governments don't have a solution?? What good does it do toppling the government?? The next one won't be able to do much. And if enough governments did decide to lower duty, demand would rise and the price would just go up again.

    Finite resource..
    RTE said people were finding their electricity bill took half their income. It also said that people use electricity to heat their homes. I'm wondering if this is like the situation in Lithuania, where they used to have cheap home heating from a nuclear power station that was closed in 2009.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...er-by-may.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by morticia View Post
    Welcome to peak oil...

    What happens when the masses realise their governments don't have a solution?? What good does it do toppling the government?? The next one won't be able to do much. And if enough governments did decide to lower duty, demand would rise and the price would just go up again.

    Finite resource..
    If a government in this neck of the woods can't find an energy solution, then they deserve not just to be toppled, but hung drawn and quartered afterwards. We have the same problem here. 320 days a year of sunshine, an average daily temperature of 24C, and no solar energy development or plans for such developments. In fact, the price of a solar panel has been raised to such an extent that it is now well and truely beyond Joe Soap to purchase and install one of these things. What are the reasons for this? There are 2 of them:

    - Those governments are in the pockets of the large oil/gas consortiums, who do not want to see there emporia undermined with a working, renewable energy source they do not (yet) own. In Greece, the first national project to be "privatized" was the Helios project, capable of supplying Greece with all it's energy needs, and Europe with some 40% of their energy needs. Purchased by a German consortium and immediately mothballed for the next 10 years...

    - by continuing to supply energy based on a constantly dwindling raw material (oil/gas), market forces dictate that the price of the end product goes up. As the Bulgarians, Greeks, Albanians, Croats, Macedonians, Cypriots etc are finding out the hard way. Once the "finite resources" have been exausted, those very same energy companies will then start investing in solar power, but the production cost will be a fraction of what it is now, while the retail price will NOT come down to reflect that drop in porduction cost, and profits will be very juicy...

    Bottom line, Greed and corruption all over again. Money speaks, people pay through the nose for it.

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    Protesting in Bulgaria again and it is not just about utility prices -

    Bulgarian anti-government protesters rallied peacefully in Sofia for the 41th straight day on Wednesday after more than 100 lawmakers, ministers and journalists spent the night besieged inside parliament before police evacuated them.
    The protesters, mostly young and well-educated, are demanding the resignation of the Socialist-led government, which has been in power only since late May, saying it represents a corrupt and discredited political elite, not the nation.
    "We do not agree with this government that is poised to rob the country and appoints people without any morals or reputation to high government posts," said 36-year-old Anna Yovkova.
    About 60 percent of Bulgarians support the protests, according to a recent opinion poll, which also showed that new elections would lead to a similar political deadlock
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...96N15020130724
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    Quote Originally Posted by ang View Post
    Protesting in Bulgaria again and it is not just about utility prices -


    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...96N15020130724

    This appears to be not so far from the Brazil protests and the movement in Egypt.

    As these people have no political or economic solutions to offer, they provide a potential platform for fascism.

    The Left and Trade Unions have failed dismally to provide any way forward, so people are turning every which way, in frustration.

    It is more than high time to provide a serious Left alternative, not based just on people without solutions wanting to get into power in existing institutions.
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    Alternatively the demand might not be for 'left' or 'right' which in reality are the same sort of chancers/professional politicians disguised behind two equally bust philosophies.

    Fair and Transparent Resource Management would sidestep all the useless nights and refocus the philosophers of left and right and other frauds into the chess clubs where they belong.
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    Alternatively the demand might not be for 'left' or 'right' which in reality are the same sort of chancers/professional politicians disguised behind two equally bust philosophies.

    Fair and Transparent Resource Management would sidestep all the useless nights and refocus the philosophers of left and right and other frauds into the chess clubs where they belong.
    There is nothing new about the idea of a "Third Way" - neither left not right - which inevitably turns out to be a "new" version of the status quo - and oftentimes worse. Just look at Egypt.
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    Calling it a 'third way' would be to confer a respectability on the other two 'ways' which they don't deserve. Public administration should not be about philosophy but accountability and transparency. Clerks not clerics from failed philosophical churches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Con O'Sullivan View Post
    Calling it a 'third way' would be to confer a respectability on the other two 'ways' which they don't deserve. Public administration should not be about philosophy but accountability and transparency. Clerks not clerics from failed philosophical churches.
    I was disillusioned at an early age by an Independent "anti-corruption" candidate who was convicted of fraud within 6 months of election.

    "Corruption" is the new short hand for abuse of inappropriate power which no person should have in the first place.
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    I don't think the Bulgarians are arguing over 'left' versus 'right' and in Egypt and in outbreaks of protest in the west in the past two to three years I see no evidence that the protestors are engaged in a 'left-right' argument. They are protesting against corruption in public office which just happens to be accomplished by use of the corporate environment.

    Attempting to settle a blanket of desire for socialism over it is the same as the SWP ambushing other people's protests with their banners in the hope of giving the impression they organised it. Exactly the same as Obama's hopey-changey thing sponsored by Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley.

    Piggy-backing of pre-packaged philosophies on to concerns about basic corruption.
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    I don't think the Bulgarians are arguing over 'left' versus 'right' and in Egypt and in outbreaks of protest in the west in the past two to three years I see no evidence that the protestors are engaged in a 'left-right' argument. They are protesting against corruption in public office which just happens to be accomplished by use of the corporate environment
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    This was not suggested. There is a very definite Left and Right in Egypt and plenty of evidence of it on the ground. But my point was precisely that the periodic "apolitical" populists protests bring nothing to the table in terms of an economic solution, but provide a platform for every undesirable opportunist, often of the Right, under the sun.

    Attempting to settle a blanket of desire for socialism over it is the same as the SWP ambushing other people's protests with their banners in the hope of giving the impression they organised it. Exactly the same as Obama's hopey-changey thing sponsored by Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley.

    Piggy-backing of pre-packaged philosophies on to concerns about basic corruption.
    Anyone has a right to desire socialism, and to express that desire, unless they live under a fascist dictatorship. And I am not talking about basic corruption, but about the unprecedented scale of it in this era, and also the hot political potato it has become internationally.
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    Is socialism such a hot potato internationally? Only if you see opposition to corporatist corruption and label that 'socialism'.

    Haven't heard much of a demand for socialism around news from Egypt and I think the Bulgarians have already seen the blunt edge of what was called socialism and the corruption under socialism was the same as corruption under capitalism.

    Give a socialist control over the means of production and he will become corrupt. Give a capitalist control over the means of production and he will become corrupt.

    Seems to me there should be enough ownership of the means of production to fan an interest in one's environment but not much more.

    A rich socialist is as likely to take advantage of his or her position as a rich capitalist is. I've noticed plenty of corrupt 'socialist' leaders as well as corrupt capitalists in my lifetime.

    The issue that is affecting Bulgaria is the same as the issue affecting Egypt- the siphoning off of a nation's resources for the politically connected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    This appears to be not so far from the Brazil protests and the movement in Egypt.

    As these people have no political or economic solutions to offer, they provide a potential platform for fascism.

    The Left and Trade Unions have failed dismally to provide any way forward, so people are turning every which way, in frustration.

    It is more than high time to provide a serious Left alternative, not based just on people without solutions wanting to get into power in existing institutions.
    Quick note

    The Left more oft than I can count on one finger is seen to be essentially trade unions , themselves open to corruption when they get the kickbacks from big business.

    Urgently we need people with solutions to problems that are afflicting us and not just empty promises and manifestos.
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