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    Default Re: County Council coalitions - Who will pact with who?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rpurfield View Post
    There was an FF and FG pact in the Kells electoral area propped up by one independent. FG got the chair of it and FF vice chair


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    Reflective of what is going to happen in GE I fear

    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    I would agree there. In the interests of keeping ff and fg out of next govt a deal between soft and harder left may be needed.

    Are pbp and sp really saying they would rather a ff fg govt next time out than be the second largest party grouping ahead of greens and labour? Doesnt this just prove them as a countergang then?
    How can you call labour left>?

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    I don't speak for the PBPA - but this is really a bit of a daft assumption.

    If today's poll is anything to go by the LP will be virtually wiped out in the next election - and deservedly so - and the GP will at best get one seat. Any alliance between SF and the LP/GP does only two things
    1. gives SF an excuse to tone down their policies
    2. gives an unnecessary leg up to the LP and GP and suggests that their pro-austerity policies have some legitimacy on the basis that they are not really that bad politically.

    The Socialist Party will have no truck with either implication. The opportunity existed on several local councils to build an alliance that was austerity critical - SF chose instead to give a leg up to FF and FG in Cork and LP and GP in Dublin - the four parties directly responsible for the crisis and continued austerity.

    If SF are in government after the next election then it will be with FF (with the support of a batch of independents).
    The core of the independents in the RA may very well align themselves with an FG/FF coalition. Very much agree with your points. There is an expression about power and what it does to people and their attitudes...will Shinners change?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffybiscuits View Post
    Reflective of what is going to happen in GE I fear


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    A little part of me hopes so. Regardless of posturing of how left certain parties are we need people to start focussing on left and right and not what side of the civil war your family came down on. It would be a few years of torture but it might sharpen minds across the left on who the real enemy is and stop the bitching and moaning against each other!!


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    Default Re: County Council coalitions - Who will pact with who?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rpurfield View Post
    A little part of me hopes so. Regardless of posturing of how left certain parties are we need people to start focussing on left and right and not what side of the civil war your family came down on. It would be a few years of torture but it might sharpen minds across the left on who the real enemy is and stop the bitching and moaning against each other!!


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    That is a useful insight. For FF and FG to coalesce would push out remaining working class and small farmer support for Fianna Fail.
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    Default Re: County Council coalitions - Who will pact with who?

    Hard to disagree with sidewinders view of pbp.

    All that remains to be seen is what sf does and what will happen in a hung dail and potential constitutional crisis for the gombeen state.

    A lot of people on the left and right have a big interest in sf failing.

    I take the point on lp no longer being left fluffy but say a grouping led by tommy broughan shortall etc to replace them.

    Of course the resident apparatchik only sees any sort of left coalition against ff and fg as daft.

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    Default Re: County Council coalitions - Who will pact with who?

    Donegal CC: SF (11) have made a pact with the 1 labour and 7 leftish (including Pringle ppl) indo's to get a majority of 19, keeping out FF (13) and FG (5)... Seems to be a trend repeating itself at this stage and this one has made me particularly happy

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    Default Re: County Council coalitions - Who will pact with who?

    There are all sorts of pacts amongst the councillors on the various councils and further series of pacts in the various municipal authorities.

    These depend on local issues and relations between councilors.

    No national significance

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    Quote Originally Posted by homer View Post
    There are all sorts of pacts amongst the councillors on the various councils and further series of pacts in the various municipal authorities.

    These depend on local issues and relations between councilors.

    No national significance
    Thats plainly not true. When you have parties with centralised democracy, like SF, in more cases that not what the central committee says is almost always what goes. Also, looking at these pacts from a sociological perspective can and does show how the local membership of each party think, who they dislike in general and who they favour. So in fact looking at the pacts around the country is at the very least a good indication of what the broader members of political parties think.

    In Mayo I just heard that FF have made a pact with the Independents to govern leaving SF and FG out. Interesting. This would indicate to me that the indo's there might well be more gene-pool FF or FG certainly than left-wing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ogiol View Post
    Thats plainly not true. When you have parties with centralised democracy, like SF, in more cases that not what the central committee says is almost always what goes. Also, looking at these pacts from a sociological perspective can and does show how the local membership of each party think, who they dislike in general and who they favour. So in fact looking at the pacts around the country is at the very least a good indication of what the broader members of political parties think.

    In Mayo I just heard that FF have made a pact with the Independents to govern leaving SF and FG out. Interesting. This would indicate to me that the indo's there might well be more gene-pool FF or FG certainly than left-wing.
    Looking at who a left party (really left, not labour) would ally with, there would be a few factors I think - voter base, active stance (or not) against neo-liberalism, party programme would be three of them.

    The parties are changing. Just looking at the label may not tell us what is in the can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Looking at who a left party (really left, not labour) would ally with, there would be a few factors I think - voter base, active stance (or not) against neo-liberalism, party programme would be three of them.

    The parties are changing. Just looking at the label may not tell us what is in the can.
    True. These are times of flux. One obvious change is that FF have dropped any social-democratic baggage they may have had and have gone right.

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    Yesterday in the Dail Joan Burton said that Wicklow County Council was controlled by Sinn fein and Independents, so were responsible for a letter threatening tentants over water tax.

    A Sinn Fein councillor on RTE then said it was controlled by FF/FG and Independents. Then the leader of the Independent group came on and said no, it is FF/FG.

    There is no Labour councillor.

    I'm wondering if anyone can confirm the position.

    Also, is this general across the country, and is it a dry run for a FF/FG coalition post election ?
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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