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    Thanks!

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    This documentary on the Gujarat riots, show the ways of modi and the sangh (organizations under RSS) and why he was refused visa to the US for over ten years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dharma View Post
    Thanks!
    Dharma - what's your view of why Modi has won this election ? It's possible to see how the far right got a foothold - although minority - in Ukraine and Greece, where the economies are in a desperate state - but why a majority win for the far right in India - which we are told has a thriving economy ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Dharma - what's your view of why Modi has won this election ? It's possible to see how the far right got a foothold - although minority - in Ukraine and Greece, where the economies are in a desperate state - but why a majority win for the far right in India - which we are told has a thriving economy ?

    Thanks for asking that question C. The biggest reason for his win is the outgoing UPA government, which gave the chance for the spread of the far right propaganda. This was done by the UPA's scam ridden performance in their second term during the global financial crisis, which resulted in high inflation. The middle class and the poor were struggling to get by due to high prices of daily household rations and people were angry. Modi and the RSS cashed in on this, with a mix of hindutva (hindu far right nationalism) propaganda smoke screened by modi's bogus economic development model http://kafila.org/2013/07/10/lies-da...st-by-m-akhil/(Which was nothing but giving a free hand to capitalists, at the cost of local welfare.) This propaganda was furthered by the corporate owned Indian English media(http://kafila.org/2014/04/24/modi-fa...ganda-machine/, which caters to the middle class and upper middle class who feel they are entitled to get/stay rich (http://kafila.org/2014/04/17/why-mod...zair-belgrami/.)

    Now all this only helped the already name sake elections in India. If you live in India, you'd be normalized to the distribution of money, alcohol, sarees etc., in exchange for votes(https://in.news.yahoo.com/is-andhra-...065759764.html, http://www.tehelka.com/the-dirty-und...election-2014/, http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...of-widows.html). It is so normal that you feel unusual if elections were to be fought honestly. My own small town with a population of 40,000 saw distribution of around 15 million rupees(around 200k euro)cash by a single candidate alone. there were four other candidates and also alcohol and other goodies were extra. This was only for council elections. I can't imagine the amount spent across India in all the small towns and villages. Due to the normalization of this money for votes, people take money from all parties and still vote for whoever they want to. So due to the self destruction of UPA and large amounts of money and publicity by BJP, they were favs to win but nobody predicted that they would get total majority.

    The reasons for them achieving such high seats are their intimidation tactics(http://kafila.org/2014/04/16/democra...ma/#more-22204, http://kafila.org/2014/05/09/bjps-ca...onobina-gupta/,http://kafila.org/2014/04/29/modi-th...ere-is-the-ec/) in their strongholds and the old RSS trick of communal polarization between majority Hindu population and the minorities by instigation of riots, in regions where they lack support. In Uttar Pradesh, the Indian state with the highest number of MP seats BJP won 71 out of 80, and this was a major reason for them getting a simple majority. This is how they won it: http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?288907, http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?288908. These are the same tactics used in the Gujarat riots in 2002, after which modi swept the state elections.

    So while India's economic situation is not as bad as Greece's or Ukraine's, the Indian fascists have been preparing and waiting for a chance like this since our independence, unlike the newly emerged Golden dawn or the Svoboda. The RSS operate in a scary way. They train people from a very young age, instilling hindu nationalism in them. They send their loyal students off to start new radical organizations, with their support and then they then use them to do their dirty work like this: and this:http://www.caravanmagazine.in/press-release (actual terror bombings), while denying any link to them. That's why all the organizations under RSS are known as the Sangh parivar( Organizational family). They used the same trick to murder Gandhi(He was no saint, but murder is unacceptable:http://genderbytes.wordpress.com/201...imes-of-gurus/). Their recruitment has been steadily decreasing but modi proved to be a godsend for them. Here is a profile of how Modi was made in RSS: http://caravanmagazine.in/reportage/emperor-uncrowned.

    So there, the usual mix of nationalism, fundamentalism, media propaganda, corporate sponsorship, a population normalized to corruption, deadly riots to polarize the usually peaceful regions and a self-proclaimed saviour/tough-administrator to rescue the masses form scam ridden capitalism, with more capitalism with a hindu-fascist face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dharma View Post
    Thanks for asking that question C. The biggest reason for his win is the outgoing UPA government, which gave the chance for the spread of the far right propaganda. This was done by the UPA's scam ridden performance in their second term during the global financial crisis, which resulted in high inflation. The middle class and the poor were struggling to get by due to high prices of daily household rations and people were angry. Modi and the RSS cashed in on this, with a mix of hindutva (hindu far right nationalism) propaganda smoke screened by modi's bogus economic development model http://kafila.org/2013/07/10/lies-da...st-by-m-akhil/(Which was nothing but giving a free hand to capitalists, at the cost of local welfare.) This propaganda was furthered by the corporate owned Indian English media(http://kafila.org/2014/04/24/modi-fa...ganda-machine/, which caters to the middle class and upper middle class who feel they are entitled to get/stay rich (http://kafila.org/2014/04/17/why-mod...zair-belgrami/.)

    Now all this only helped the already name sake elections in India. If you live in India, you'd be normalized to the distribution of money, alcohol, sarees etc., in exchange for votes(https://in.news.yahoo.com/is-andhra-...065759764.html, http://www.tehelka.com/the-dirty-und...election-2014/, http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...of-widows.html). It is so normal that you feel unusual if elections were to be fought honestly. My own small town with a population of 40,000 saw distribution of around 15 million rupees(around 200k euro)cash by a single candidate alone. there were four other candidates and also alcohol and other goodies were extra. This was only for council elections. I can't imagine the amount spent across India in all the small towns and villages. Due to the normalization of this money for votes, people take money from all parties and still vote for whoever they want to. So due to the self destruction of UPA and large amounts of money and publicity by BJP, they were favs to win but nobody predicted that they would get total majority.

    The reasons for them achieving such high seats are their intimidation tactics(http://kafila.org/2014/04/16/democra...ma/#more-22204, http://kafila.org/2014/05/09/bjps-ca...onobina-gupta/,http://kafila.org/2014/04/29/modi-th...ere-is-the-ec/) in their strongholds and the old RSS trick of communal polarization between majority Hindu population and the minorities by instigation of riots, in regions where they lack support. In Uttar Pradesh, the Indian state with the highest number of MP seats BJP won 71 out of 80, and this was a major reason for them getting a simple majority. This is how they won it: http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?288907, http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?288908. These are the same tactics used in the Gujarat riots in 2002, after which modi swept the state elections.

    So while India's economic situation is not as bad as Greece's or Ukraine's, the Indian fascists have been preparing and waiting for a chance like this since our independence, unlike the newly emerged Golden dawn or the Svoboda. The RSS operate in a scary way. They train people from a very young age, instilling hindu nationalism in them. They send their loyal students off to start new radical organizations, with their support and then they then use them to do their dirty work like this: and this:http://www.caravanmagazine.in/press-release (actual terror bombings), while denying any link to them. That's why all the organizations under RSS are known as the Sangh parivar( Organizational family). They used the same trick to murder Gandhi(He was no saint, but murder is unacceptable:http://genderbytes.wordpress.com/201...imes-of-gurus/). Their recruitment has been steadily decreasing but modi proved to be a godsend for them. Here is a profile of how Modi was made in RSS: http://caravanmagazine.in/reportage/emperor-uncrowned.

    So there, the usual mix of nationalism, fundamentalism, media propaganda, corporate sponsorship, a population normalized to corruption, deadly riots to polarize the usually peaceful regions and a self-proclaimed saviour/tough-administrator to rescue the masses form scam ridden capitalism, with more capitalism with a hindu-fascist face.
    Thanks dharma. That's a very full explanation. My other, related, question is, what is the response to fascism in India from the left and antifascist movements and from trade unions ?
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    The mighty Arundhati Roy here. This is before the election but excellent. Well worthy watching when you get a chance. (Most of your questions answered here Cass)

    http://www.democracynow.org/2014/4/9...alitarian_path

    ARUNDHATI ROY: So, I’m talking about how, when you have this kind of control over all business, over the media, over its essential infrastructure, electricity generation, information, everything, then you just field your, you know, pet politicians. And right now, for example, what’s happening in India is that one of the reasons that is being attributed to the slowdown of the economy is the fact that there is a tremendous resistance to all of this from the people on the ground, from the people who are being displaced, from the—and in the forests, it’s the Maoist guerrillas; in the villages, it’s all kinds of people’s movements—all of whom are of course being called Maoist. And now, there is a—you see, these economic policies—these new economic policies cannot be implemented unless—except with state—with coercive state violence. So you have a situation where the forests are full of paramilitary just burning villages, you know, pushing people out of their homes, trying to clear the land for mining companies to whom the government has signed, you know, hundreds of memorandums of understanding. Outside the forests, too, this is happening. So there is a kind of war which, of course, always existed in India. There hasn’t been a year when the Indian army hasn’t been deployed against its own people. I mean, I’ll talk about that later—

    AMY GOODMAN: Since when?

    ARUNDHATI ROY: Since independence, since 1947, you know? But now the plan is to deploy them. Now it’s the paramilitary. But this new election is going to be who is the person that the corporates choose, who is not going to blink about putting the Indian—about deploying the Indian army against the poorest people in this country, you know, and pushing them out to give over those lands, those rivers, those mountains, to the major mining corporations. So this is what we are being prepared for now—the air force, the army, going in into the heart of India now.

    NERMEEN SHAIKH: Before we go to the elections, could you—one of the operations, the military operations, you talk about is Operation Green Hunt.

    ARUNDHATI ROY: Yeah.

    NERMEEN SHAIKH: Could you explain what that is, when it started, and who it targets?

    ARUNDHATI ROY: Well, Operation Green Hunt, basically—you know, in 2004, the current government signed a series of memorandums of understanding with a number of mining corporations and infrastructure development companies to build dams, to do mining, to build roads, to move India into the space where, as the home minister at the time said, he wanted 75 percent of India’s population to live in cities, which is, you know, moving—social engineering, really, moving 500 million people or so out of their homes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Thanks dharma. That's a very full explanation. My other, related, question is, what is the response to fascism in India from the left and antifascist movements and from trade unions ?
    Dharma will have his own take on matters, but from what I know of West Bengal the CPI-M simply ossified through being in power for too long. Not merely in power as a party but all the cadres at local level were there from the '60's to the '90's. As things deteriorated their solution appeared to be to go to even older semi-retired members and ask them to become involved again as if 80 year-olds were going to reinvigorate the party. The present Chief Minister of WB is a lunatic but her manic personality gives an illusion of action; people love that. And most of all, don't forget that a high density state like WB needs funds from the centre, which are often withheld by Congress led governments. And Calcutta has rarely looked better than I saw it in January ; traffic flowing , employment high , wedding season in full swing, bridges that had been left half completed now open, toll roads functioning. Inflation is a bugger though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Thanks dharma. That's a very full explanation. My other, related, question is, what is the response to fascism in India from the left and antifascist movements and from trade unions ?
    Hope I didn't bore you with my full explanation. Now answering your question, there is no widely accepted concept of fascism in India. That's the trick of the RSS in convincing people that they are just there to promote Hindu culture. The political left in India, mainly the CPI(M) have become pseudo socialists like the Irish Labour party. They voice concerns against the fascist forces but do nothing beyond that. The larger trade unions are affiliated to political parties and don't do much. The antifascist movements are by the scattered regional human rights activist groups and small non-political socialist trade unions (http://www.truthofgujarat.com/author/mukul-sinha/, http://nsm.org.in/tag/jan-sangharsh-manch/, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teesta_Setalvad). Most activist movements in India are led by women who speak actively against corporate fascism, but are more involved in localized agitations to ensure survival of the disenfranchised.

    They are not organized as a single force against fascism. The closest thing to a national antifascist movement is the Aam Aadmi party(common man party), which has been successful in uniting India's best women's rights activists, land rights activists and other human rights activists across India. Some of their tactics have been questionable, but they did well this elections for a new party. Their biggest contribution is uniting grass roots leftist and socialist activists in the fight against corporate fascism(http://kafila.org/?s=aap).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lapsedmethodist View Post
    Dharma will have his own take on matters, but from what I know of West Bengal the CPI-M simply ossified through being in power for too long. Not merely in power as a party but all the cadres at local level were there from the '60's to the '90's. As things deteriorated their solution appeared to be to go to even older semi-retired members and ask them to become involved again as if 80 year-olds were going to reinvigorate the party. The present Chief Minister of WB is a lunatic but her manic personality gives an illusion of action; people love that. And most of all, don't forget that a high density state like WB needs funds from the centre, which are often withheld by Congress led governments. And Calcutta has rarely looked better than I saw it in January ; traffic flowing , employment high , wedding season in full swing, bridges that had been left half completed now open, toll roads functioning. Inflation is a bugger though.
    That is true. The CPI(M) went the China way, when it came to improving the economic condition of the state, ignoring their core welfare policies and paid the price. They were murdering their opponents, including protesting people in their states of West Bengal(http://www.countercurrents.org/kavita250407.htm) and Kerala(http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report...ks-row-1694163)

    The new CM of WB has been successful in creating an illusion of being an alternative like you say an she is indeed a power crazed, anti-women nut case(http://www.patnadaily.com/index.php/...-banerjee.html)

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    This is a good response to how modi won the election. http://kafila.org/2014/05/23/a-stole...ji/#more-22714

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    Quote Originally Posted by dharma View Post
    This is a good response to how modi won the election. http://kafila.org/2014/05/23/a-stole...ji/#more-22714
    It is. Generally reports have not conveyed that this is a win, but not a majority win and is based on a couple of States in which Modi's team had engineered riots and murders to polarise the community.

    An electoral system, like any other social system, is not a natural system; it is a man-made one. Hence, its just and effective functioning depends on participants adhering to the founding principles of the system in letter and spirit. Ongoing rectifications leading to progressive legislation may result in more effective laws in course of time. But the point remains that no social system can be so formulated as to remain totally immune from deliberate manipulation. We may tighten the taxation system, judicial system, and the like, with as many controls as we are able to furnish at a point in time; but the devil will always find its way by using some aspect of the system itself. A combination of power and cunning, with suitable lacing of violence, can defeat any system of welfare humans can imagine.
    THE NUMBERS
    Let us first get clear about what this 31% means for democratic representation. As Shuddhbrata Sengupta (Kafila, May 18) and others have pointed out, the current population of India is 1.27 billion or 1270 million. The total electorate is 810 million. Since 66.3% of this electorate voted in the elections, the actual number who voted is 541 million. At 31%, BJP won roughly 165 million votes. In other words, in the general population, over 1000 million or 1 billion people or 86% did not vote for BJP. Even among the registered electorate, nearly 650 million or 80% did not vote for BJP.
    The BJP government just elected is the most unpopular and unrepresentative in the history of the republic of India. To emphasize, these abysmal numbers have little to do with the limitations of FPTP; so they can only be the result of deliberate manipulation.
    To understand the cunning that sabotaged the electoral system, it is important to note that, from one direction, even the 31% figure is flattering. Among the 282 seats won by BJP, about 95 accrued from the two states of Bihar and Uttar Pradesh alone. If we assume uniform vote per seat ratio throughout these 282 seats and calculate the contribution of UP and Bihar on national vote ratio on that basis, it works out to nearly 10.5% (the actual figure is likely to be higher due to the thumping wins in these two states). Subtracting this figure from the gross national vote ratio, the residual national ratio turns out to be roughly 20.5%, close to BJP’s 2009 figure and Congress’ vote-share in 2014. BJP’s victory then is entirely ascribable to the massive gain in seats in UP and Bihar.
    The connection between incitement of riots and subsequent electoral gains is well-known. In a familiar move, the victims, namely the muslims, were portrayed as the real culprits: Amit Shah declared openly that it was a matter of honour that needs to be avenged through the ballot. After the pogroms in Gujarat in which thousands of muslims were butchered and lakhs rendered homeless, 286 persons were arrested under the draconian POTA: 285 were muslims, 1 was a Sikh (no Hindus). Subsequently in Gujarat, the BJP enjoyed overwhelming electoral success that established the authority of Narandra Modi in the Sangh Parivar.
    What happens is fairly simple to understand. Once polarization is achieved on communal lines projecting a demon/victim divide, old community alliances begin to break down. In the present case, Amit Shah’s clarion call not only consolidated the entire upper caste vote in BJP’s favour, it also galvanized a substantial chunk of (Hindu) backward caste votes to move towards BJP. As a result, in a largely four-cornered contest, BJP was able to consolidate enough majoritarian votes to defeat the caste-based structures of SP and BSP. For example, BSP had won 21 seats in 2009 through a skilled alliance of dalit, muslim, and upper caste votes. This time, BSP retained its core dalit votes, but its upper caste votes moved away to BJP and the muslim vote was highly fragmented between SP, BSP, and Congress. Thus, BSP failed to win a single seat despite a vote-share of 20%, BJP secured 70 with 42% vote-share. (There were some other minor factors, such as some consolidation of young voters for BJP, which I am setting aside).
    If the story of UP and Bihar sketched above holds, it is difficult to dispel the impression that BJP has reached absolute majority in 2014 by inciting communal divide in these two states. In that, it has violated the basic spirit of the Constitution of India and the rules of franchise to artificially engineer a seat per vote ratio to capture state power.
    Even then this government is the most unrepresentative of all governments in post-Independent India.
    In Ukraine at the moment a military onslaught on a civilian population disguised as an "Anti Terror Operation" is being used to create a division in the Ukraine with the intention of crippling or delegitimising the vote in the East and securing a strong vote in the West, sufficient to declare the regime as democractic.

    Resistance to sectarianism and communal division needs to be at the heart of opposition to fascism and to degenerated pseudo-democracy.
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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    Quote Originally Posted by dharma View Post
    Thanks for asking that question C. The biggest reason for his win is the outgoing UPA government, which gave the chance for the spread of the far right propaganda. This was done by the UPA's scam ridden performance in their second term during the global financial crisis, which resulted in high inflation. The middle class and the poor were struggling to get by due to high prices of daily household rations and people were angry. Modi and the RSS cashed in on this, with a mix of hindutva (hindu far right nationalism) propaganda smoke screened by modi's bogus economic development model http://kafila.org/2013/07/10/lies-da...st-by-m-akhil/(Which was nothing but giving a free hand to capitalists, at the cost of local welfare.) This propaganda was furthered by the corporate owned Indian English media(http://kafila.org/2014/04/24/modi-fa...ganda-machine/, which caters to the middle class and upper middle class who feel they are entitled to get/stay rich (http://kafila.org/2014/04/17/why-mod...zair-belgrami/.)

    Now all this only helped the already name sake elections in India. If you live in India, you'd be normalized to the distribution of money, alcohol, sarees etc., in exchange for votes(https://in.news.yahoo.com/is-andhra-...065759764.html, http://www.tehelka.com/the-dirty-und...election-2014/, http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...of-widows.html). It is so normal that you feel unusual if elections were to be fought honestly. My own small town with a population of 40,000 saw distribution of around 15 million rupees(around 200k euro)cash by a single candidate alone. there were four other candidates and also alcohol and other goodies were extra. This was only for council elections. I can't imagine the amount spent across India in all the small towns and villages. Due to the normalization of this money for votes, people take money from all parties and still vote for whoever they want to. So due to the self destruction of UPA and large amounts of money and publicity by BJP, they were favs to win but nobody predicted that they would get total majority.

    The reasons for them achieving such high seats are their intimidation tactics(http://kafila.org/2014/04/16/democra...ma/#more-22204, http://kafila.org/2014/05/09/bjps-ca...onobina-gupta/,http://kafila.org/2014/04/29/modi-th...ere-is-the-ec/) in their strongholds and the old RSS trick of communal polarization between majority Hindu population and the minorities by instigation of riots, in regions where they lack support. In Uttar Pradesh, the Indian state with the highest number of MP seats BJP won 71 out of 80, and this was a major reason for them getting a simple majority. This is how they won it: http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?288907, http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?288908. These are the same tactics used in the Gujarat riots in 2002, after which modi swept the state elections.

    So while India's economic situation is not as bad as Greece's or Ukraine's, the Indian fascists have been preparing and waiting for a chance like this since our independence, unlike the newly emerged Golden dawn or the Svoboda. The RSS operate in a scary way. They train people from a very young age, instilling hindu nationalism in them. They send their loyal students off to start new radical organizations, with their support and then they then use them to do their dirty work like this: and this:http://www.caravanmagazine.in/press-release (actual terror bombings), while denying any link to them. That's why all the organizations under RSS are known as the Sangh parivar( Organizational family). They used the same trick to murder Gandhi(He was no saint, but murder is unacceptable:http://genderbytes.wordpress.com/201...imes-of-gurus/). Their recruitment has been steadily decreasing but modi proved to be a godsend for them. Here is a profile of how Modi was made in RSS: http://caravanmagazine.in/reportage/emperor-uncrowned.

    So there, the usual mix of nationalism, fundamentalism, media propaganda, corporate sponsorship, a population normalized to corruption, deadly riots to polarize the usually peaceful regions and a self-proclaimed saviour/tough-administrator to rescue the masses form scam ridden capitalism, with more capitalism with a hindu-fascist face.
    Wow great explanation and thanks for the info dharma! Modi when the blame was laid with him for the Gujarati riots, riots did him favours elecorally by giving him a boost in the polls? Divide and conquer tactics, very much favoured by the elite. Hitler blamed the minorities for his woes too and we all know where that ended up. Modis treatment and opinion of Muslim reminds me personally very much of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffybiscuits View Post
    Wow great explanation and thanks for the info dharma! Modi when the blame was laid with him for the Gujarati riots, riots did him favours elecorally by giving him a boost in the polls? Divide and conquer tactics, very much favoured by the elite. Hitler blamed the minorities for his woes too and we all know where that ended up. Modis treatment and opinion of Muslim reminds me personally very much of that.
    Thanks! Trying to spread awareness about what might actually happen in India, behind all the supposed economic miracles that the corporate media is getting people excited about.

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    Originally posted on Aam Aadmi Party's faceboom page: https://www.facebook.com/AamAadmiParty?fref=nf

    Outlook magazine's conservative estimate of Election expenditure in ‪#‎LS2014‬ is Rs 31,950 crore—a little over $5.2 billion—ten times the Rs 3,426 crore the government spent in conducting the polls. The figure compares with the official US 2012 election spending of $7 billion, around Rs 42,000 crore. And it’s over half of the ambitious NREGA programme—so you can get the scale!
    Bla*tant money power is an indicator of how big business is funding parties. Inasmuch as there is an unprecedented number of businessmen candidates, such businesses are direct participants too.
    Read more: http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?290725

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