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    As Mick Wallace said, just a confirmation by and large of what has been known and discussed for several years. What is new is that Shatter didn't bother to read reports or to take action he was required to take.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    Hmm.
    Individuals being entered improperly in PULSE as suspects in relation to the use of controlled drugs, where no such offence has been detected
    Sounds very like what Ming was referring to in relation to the Athlone Garda whistleblower yesterday.

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    One of the very evident problems of the Gardaí is they apparently are promoted/rewarded on the basis of statistics that they are able to manipulate or fake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    One of the very evident problems of the Gardaí is they apparently are promoted/rewarded on the basis of statistics that they are able to manipulate or fake.
    One thing we are learning though is the pressure on gardaí to hit certain targets and dubious methods which – look more and more systemically – adopted to achieve them.

    If we say much of the root here lies with GSOC’s investigation into the nature of relationship between gardaí and drug smuggler Kieran Boylan. So far as we know, gardaí were working in collaboration to import heroin into the country. Smaller fish were promptly picked off while Boylan worked with impunity. Several senior gardaí were promoted on the back of Boylan related arrests while the GSOC investigation was ongoing.

    Yesterday in the Dáil, Ming Flanagan alluded to similar operations in Athlone. We have heard tales of innocent people charged with assault and other crimes, all convicted on the word of gardaí. Up the ranks we go and the list goes on.

    Obviously there is much more in the nature of all this within police forces but it also points to something much wider. I wonder if we will hear from the Ed Walshes of this world and those who advocate for performance based public services above all else?

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    The Justice Committee is not taking 'yes, but not yet' as a response from Justice head Brian Purcell. If he can't make it on Thursday they want him in next Tuesday.
    The question of whether he is to be asked about the details around Callinan's resignation will be dealt with in private session.

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    RTE is reporting that there is to be an independent report into the Dept of Justice headed by Kevin Toland. Toland was appointed head of the DAA in 2013 after several years in Glanbia.

    Toland has also held senior management positions with Coca-Cola Bottlers in Russia and with Grand Metropolitan in Ireland and Central Europe. He is a fellow of the Institute of Chartered Management Accountants in Ireland.

    http://www.businesspost.ie/#!story/H...f-152f91420562

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    Shatter as the tragic hero beset by dark forces and brought down by a Kafkaesque manipulation of justice. He seems to have lost whatever tenuous sense of proportion he may have possessed at one stage.

    “For my own part, I never anticipated that a practicing senior counsel, as to independently consider the serious issues detailed in his terms of reference, could or would so ignore basic principles of constitutional and natural justice and fair procedures which have been repetitively pronounced upon and endorsed by our courts at the highest level,’’ he added.

    “These principles are crucial to the rule of law and ignoring them places in peril a value system crucial to the wellbeing of all our citizens and all who reside in the State. To ignore them is to endorse the creation of kangaroo courts as dramatically depicted in Kafkas book The Trial.’’
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/polit...urts-1.1838497

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    Shatter has taken a case for judicial review on the Guerin Report. Surely, an unusual way for a politician to operate ?


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    Alan Shatter has brought his bid for a judicial review against Guerin report @PatKennyNT
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe View Post
    The Justice Committee is not taking 'yes, but not yet' as a response from Justice head Brian Purcell. If he can't make it on Thursday they want him in next Tuesday.
    The question of whether he is to be asked about the details around Callinan's resignation will be dealt with in private session.
    What happened about this ?
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    I'm not entirely sure what Brian Purcell's position is now. He has 'stepped aside' or 'resigned' according to different reports but will continue to be paid his 200k salary.
    Looks like a pretty good result.

    Brian Purcell is unlikely to be given a position in any State organisations with responsibility for justice and security matters after he steps aside as secretary general of the Department of Justice.Mr Purcell decided this week to leave his post following a hard-hitting report which found a “closed, secretive, silo-driven culture” at the department with “significant leadership and management problems”.
    The Government agreed to his request to be reassigned in the public sector and Minister for Health Leo Varadkar yesterday suggested there might be a contractual obligation to maintain his current €200,000 salary level in whatever role he takes up.
    In an email to the Department of Justice staff this week, Mr Purcell said he would remain as secretary general until a new person took over.Minister for Justice Frances Fitzgerald said the position would be filled through open competition, but sources yesterday said Mr Purcell’s successor was unlikely to be in situ until the end of the year and that he would move as soon as a new position was found for him.
    New Garda commissioner

    Coalition sources also said Mr Purcell was likely to be moved from the justice and security sector entirely, and would not be given a post with the 33 agencies under the Department of Justice’s remit.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/polit...-000-1.1882009

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe View Post
    I'm not entirely sure what Brian Purcell's position is now. He has 'stepped aside' or 'resigned' according to different reports but will continue to be paid his 200k salary.
    Looks like a pretty good result.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/polit...-000-1.1882009
    What does "decided to leave his post" mean, if not resignation ? His appointment was to a particular post.
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    So now we're going to have to pay to defend the Guerin report. Thanks Alan.


    Mr Guerin was hired by the Government to report into its handling of Maurice McCabe's allegations of Garda malpractice.His report found major shortcomings with the response of the Department of Justice, and its then-minister Alan Shatter who resigned as a result.
    Last week Deputy Shatter launched a High Court bid to overturn some of the findings, saying Mr Guerin should have interviewed him, and that he was denied his rights to fair procedure.
    However, now it has emerged that the Government will indemnify Mr Guerin by covering any of the costs he will face in the legal action.
    Enda Kenny's department is to offer Mr Guerin the same legal cover as a civil servant, meaning it will pay Mr Guerin's legal bills in his defence against one of Enda Kenny's former allies.
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakin...se-638647.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe View Post
    So now we're going to have to pay to defend the Guerin report. Thanks Alan.


    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakin...se-638647.html
    Is there any precedent to this ? An elected TD effectively suing his own party and government ? TBH, a person of principal would resign from both and give up pension rights if so totally alienated and without trust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Is there any precedent to this ? An elected TD effectively suing his own party and government ? TBH, a person of principal would resign from both and give up pension rights if so totally alienated and without trust.
    I don't know of any precedent. It's going to lead to widespread reluctance to take on any enquiry if it means that you're liable to be sued in a personal capacity because named individuals don't like your conclusions.

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