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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraxinus View Post
    Of course. Which means that if this was bureaucratic inertia it worked out very well for the British.....the IRA went down a quagmire by accident.

    Eamonn McCann seems to be one of the few journalists on this island who has consistently drawn attention to the increased role of MI5 post Troubles and the unaccountability at the highest level of policing and security.
    Do you really think it was a just a happy accident for the British State ?
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    Must dig out the link as it's old news.... The PPS [Public Prosecution Service] has decided not to bring charges relating to collusion in the Gary Heggarty case as there is not a reasonable prospect of securing a conviction.

    One would have thought that any director worth his salt would have concluded that long ago. Timely as the announcement came just prior to the resignation of the Director of the PPS, Barra Mc Grory.

    I'd say the decision has more to do with political expediency. Heggarty...UVF commander, supergrass and murderer was sentenced to life today. length of sentence to be decided. http://www.itv.com/news/utv/2017-12-...life-sentence/

    The dirty cops alleged to be involved with him will never see a court room.
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    Scary stuff, re the Haggarty trial....

    Quote.. The director of public prosecutions, Barra McGrory QC, wrote to relatives of Haggarty's victims to explain his decision.

    He said one of the Special Branch officers had an alibi as he had provided a sick line which showed he was off work for four months due to a back injury at the time when Haggarty claimed that he was in contact with him.

    The letter also said that there were no written police records to corroborate his account.


    Weigh it up for yourselves....

    Quote.. His solicitor has described the PPS decision not to prosecute as "astounding" and "a scandalous affront to families who have waited so long and invested so much faith and trust in the present institutions".

    "Our client has been deprived of the opportunity of having his evidence tested robustly under cross examination and openly in a criminal court, thereby depriving the victims and survivors and indeed the public the opportunity to see justice in action," said Niall Murphy.

    The lawyer said his client believes the decision making process was "stage managed and directed to ensure that no prosecutions were ever brought".

    The application contends that the provision of a sick line by one of the former Special Branch handlers "does not come remotely close to satisfying the requirements of an alibi defence" in a criminal court.

    Referring to transcripts of interviews with investigators after he agreed to become a supergrass, the solicitor pointed out that Haggarty referred to one of his handlers being off work because of an old sports injury, but he continued to phone and meet him during that period. unquote.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42428270


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    I know it's been the holiday season and all, but no comments about these stories?

    Miami Showband collusion:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...tain-1.3341997

    MI5 asking UVF to assassinate Haughey; and release biohazards to devastate the agricultural economy:

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-36442941.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    I know it's been the holiday season and all, but no comments about these stories?

    Miami Showband collusion:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...tain-1.3341997

    MI5 asking UVF to assassinate Haughey; and release biohazards to devastate the agricultural economy:

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-36442941.html
    Didn't have the energy to post them, but see here also re Paisley etc:

    http://www.politicalworld.org/showth...e#.Wk21w0x2vIU
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    I know it's been the holiday season and all, but no comments about these stories?

    Miami Showband collusion:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...tain-1.3341997

    MI5 asking UVF to assassinate Haughey; and release biohazards to devastate the agricultural economy:

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-36442941.html
    None of it is surprising. Remember Shoot To Kill, Thatcher's mad ideas about shifting the Catholics down to the Republic, the shooting of Lawyers after the dog whistling by Tory Ministers. It would be no surprise at all if they were really up for assassinating Haughey. There were shades of Trump like madness in the behind the scenes bizarreness of the Thatcher era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaadi View Post
    There were shades of Trump like madness in the behind the scenes bizarreness of the Thatcher era.
    This is a bit naive.

    Most of the worst stuff didn't happen when Thatcher was PM.
    It happened during Heath and Merlyn Rees eras.

    It is far too convenient for nationalists (or anyone who wants the truth, frankly) to go down the "THATCHER DID IT" route. It lets other, and much worse people get off the hook.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merlyn_Rees

    You need to look at the hidden actors.

    As long as I live, I will never believe that it was the INLA on their own that assassinated Airey Neave. There must have been a hidden hand, an assist, involved.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airey_Neave
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    Quote Originally Posted by pluralist View Post
    This is a bit naive.

    Most of the worst stuff didn't happen when Thatcher was PM.
    It happened during Heath and Merlyn Rees eras.

    It is far too convenient for nationalists (or anyone who wants the truth, frankly) to go down the "THATCHER DID IT" route. It lets other, and much worse people get off the hook.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merlyn_Rees

    You need to look at the hidden actors.

    As long as I live, I will never believe that it was the INLA on their own that assassinated Airey Neave. There must have been a hidden hand, an assist, involved.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airey_Neave
    You're taking me up wrongly, my point wasn't that under Thatcher that British involvement in Ireland was anymore despicable than at times before. My point was that behind the veneer of strong leadership of the Thatcher era was Thatcher the reckless with brainfart ideas about how to handle NI popping into her head. Ideas that no sane leader would be stupid enough to let out into the daylight for fear of being shown up as a clueless idiot. When you had a leader like that, it would be no surprise at all if she had floated the idea of bumping off Charlie Haughey without even pondering whether such an action would cause far more trouble for Britain than it would solve .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    I know it's been the holiday season and all, but no comments about these stories?

    Miami Showband collusion:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...tain-1.3341997

    MI5 asking UVF to assassinate Haughey; and release biohazards to devastate the agricultural economy:

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-36442941.html
    Interesting how these details were dripped out over the quiet of Christmas.
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    Haughey in the 80s seems a bizarre target. What was the point? If you're going to take out a major political figure in another sovereign state it'd want to be worth the hassle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraxinus View Post
    Haughey in the 80s seems a bizarre target. What was the point? If you're going to take out a major political figure in another sovereign state it'd want to be worth the hassle.
    There's an image of one of the UVF letters in circulation signed in block capitals. Captain W Johnston.

    In my circles @ that era it was known that the same Captain was a British Special Branch sergeant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraxinus View Post
    Haughey in the 80s seems a bizarre target. What was the point? If you're going to take out a major political figure in another sovereign state it'd want to be worth the hassle.
    Not really, Haughey was on Argentina's side during the Malvinas War. Thatcher was pretty peeved at him for several reasons and particularly in 1987 over Extradition .... Like the Dublin-Monaghan bombings which were a slap down of the ROI to show the ROI its impotence in the face of British provocation, an assassination of Haughey in Thatcher's mind would have cleared the decks of a troublesome character for London as well as putting the fear of god into any new Irish leader who dared to refuse the UK what it wanted. All wrapped up in the third party distancing of official Britain from the action by subcontracting the job to the UVF
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaadi View Post
    You're taking me up wrongly, my point wasn't that under Thatcher that British involvement in Ireland was anymore despicable than at times before. My point was that behind the veneer of strong leadership of the Thatcher era was Thatcher the reckless with brainfart ideas about how to handle NI popping into her head. Ideas that no sane leader would be stupid enough to let out into the daylight for fear of being shown up as a clueless idiot. When you had a leader like that, it would be no surprise at all if she had floated the idea of bumping off Charlie Haughey without even pondering whether such an action would cause far more trouble for Britain than it would solve .
    Ok, points taken.
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