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    A judicial review has been given the go ahead today into the HET [Historical Enquiries Team] handling of a series of murders linked to the notorious Glenanne gang, which included members of the ''security forces'' and are linked to over 100 murders..

    Quote. The brother of a boy killed by the Glennane gang, which included members of the RUC and UDR, launched the legal challenge against Northern Ireland's chief constable on Monday.

    The gang has been accused of involvement in 120 murders.

    Edward Barnard's brother Patrick, 13, was among those killed.

    The Ulster Volunteer Force gang was based at a farm in Glenanne, County Armagh.

    Patrick Barnard was one of four people who died in a bomb at the Hillcrest Bar in Dungannon, County Tyrone, on 17 March 1976.

    His brother sought a judicial review into how the Historical Enquiries Team (Het) - which has now been effectively closed - examined the murder.

    Counsel for the Crown did not oppose the application and the review is scheduled for May.

    Earlier, Mr Barnard's solicitor Kevin Winters said: "The Het has gone and there has been no sight of a wide-ranging review into the Glenanne gang murders, despite the fact that it is known that such a review was almost completed and would have contributed to Edward Barnard's knowledge of the role of state collusion in the activities of the Glenanne gang."

    The case is supported by victims' lobby group, the Pat Finucane Centre. unquote. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-31084022
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    Shady looking case concerning the murder of Sean Browne with clashes of opinion between the PSNI and SDLP.

    Quote.. Northern Ireland's chief Constable has denied an SDLP claim that police are protecting the murderers of a Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) official.

    Sean Brown was abducted and shot by the Loyalist Volunteer Force in Bellaghy, County Londonderry, in 1997.

    SDLP MLA and Policing Board member Dolores Kelly claimed Mr Brown's killers were being protected because they were "state agents" or informers. unquote..

    Ms Kelly [SDLP] suggested on tv that members of the LVF lead very charmed lives....

    Quote. "We have heard at the inquest into the murder of Sean Brown that there was conflicting evidence given by two senior police officers to that inquest.

    "There is a widely held belief, given the number of redactions that are contained already in the information supplied to the inquest, that loyalist killers and more than likely informers are being protected," she said.

    Classified material
    "There were loyalist murder gangs in the area which seemed to be able to conduct their business and evil work without much intervention and there are some traces that the murder of Sean Brown links back to that gang." unquote.

    On top of that, seems some relevant paperwork went missing recently...

    Quote.. Last month it emerged that a list of classified material deemed relevant for the Sean Brown murder inquest had been lost and that redactions, including the blanking out of names, on 34 folders of non-sensitive material had not been completed by the PSNI. unquote.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-norther...-west-31144235

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    Murders up to and including journalist Martin O'Hagan's in 2001.

    The BBC is showing a Panorama programme on Thursday 28th May 2015 which asserts that MI5/6 directed many assassinations in Ireland.

    https://ssl.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02...yer?chromeless


    There is more here on our thread on the book "Lethal Allies"

    http://www.politicalworld.org/showth...n#.VWTWJ9JViko
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    Gerry Kelly of SF on the Panorama programme - this was systemic, not a few bad apples.

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    Gun used to kill seven people in unsolved murders has been located on display in the Imperial War Museum in London.


    http://rt.com/uk/263145-rifle-troubles-loyalist-found/
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    Northern Ireland: 'truly disturbing' Panorama allegations on collusion must be fully investigated

    ‘We’re not talking about a security policy we’re talking about a murder policy’ - Patrick Corrigan, Amnesty International

    “Truly disturbing” allegations in a new BBC documentary that UK security forces colluded with loyalist paramilitary groups in Northern Ireland on a vast scale leading directly to the deaths of hundreds of people must be fully investigated, said Amnesty International.

    A BBC Panorama investigation called “Britain’s Secret Terror Deals” - set to be broadcast this evening - reveals how British security forces (army, MI5 and Royal Ulster Constabulary Special Branch) operated with thousands of agents and informants working inside paramilitary groups in Northern Ireland, with many of these individuals directly involved in criminality and murder.

    Just one of the paid army agents, Brian Nelson, provided assassination targets for the three main Loyalist paramilitary groups - the Ulster Freedom Fighters, the Ulster Volunteer Force and the Red Hand Commando - as well as providing weapons for the killings. Nelson was involved in importing hundreds of AK47s, grenades and rocket launchers from South Africa in 1988, with the weapons then channelled to the illegal paramilitary groups.

    Today’s Panorama investigation follows numerous other credible allegations of widespread collusion between members of the UK security forces and paramilitary groups in Northern Ireland, and Amnesty is calling for an overarching mechanism for dealing with all alleged human rights abuses during the Troubles.

    Amnesty International’s Northern Ireland Programme Director Patrick Corrigan said:
    “The breadth and depth of collusion being alleged here is truly disturbing.

    “Killing people targeted by the state, using intelligence provided by the state and shooting them with guns provided by the state - if all this is proven, we’re not talking about a security policy we’re talking about a murder policy.

    “There must now be a full, independent investigation into the scale of the policy where the police, army and MI5 worked with illegal paramilitary groups, resulting in the deaths of perhaps hundreds of people.

    “Without full accountability for past actions, there can be no public confidence in today’s justice mechanisms.”

    Panorama: Britain’s Secret Terror Deals




    http://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-rele...XeZiPA.twitter
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    On infiltration and collusion in the IRA/ Sinn Fein.

    The article observes events, but the conclusion that the British were just focused on intelligence gathering, rather than evidence gathering (i.e. apprehension and prosecution) begs the question, why ?

    What was British strategy ? Agents undoubtedly passed information to the British, but to what extent were their actions also operationally directed by the British, and to what strategic and tactical ends ?

    Not only lower level people were turned politically, manipulated, bribed, infiltrated or blackmailed. Donaldson and Scapaticci were leadership.


    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/op...-31270998.html

    ...Some of the informers inside the IRA continued with their republican activities. Some were, indeed committed republicans, who felt they had been compromised by the Army, or police, but still tried to protect IRA operations; in effect, deceiving both sides and trying to maintain their credibility.
    A recent article in An Phoblacht, written to discredit one of the biggest-known informers, Sean O'Callaghan, acknowledged that the IRA itself sometimes knew men were informers and preferred not to harm them.
    At the end of the Provo campaign, we began to get some idea not just of the degree to which the IRA had been penetrated, but to what level.
    The biggest shock was that Freddie Scappaticci, who was on the IRA security team, tasked with catching informers, was working for the British.
    The Police Ombudsman is now investigating several killings of alleged informers by the IRA 'nutting squad'.
    What other word than collusion better describes a state agent accusing people of informing, extracting confessions from them by torture and then killing them?
    This raises the appalling prospect that many of those executed as informers were killed to protect real informers operating at a higher level.
    Claims have been made by a former British Army agent that Martin McGuinness was himself an informer with the codename 'J118', though he has emphatically denied this and clearly his former comrades believe him, or he would have had to flee for his life.
    But former Provos critical of the peace process routinely rehearse such claims against McGuinness and Adams and close relations on social media.
    We do know that the head of administration in Sinn Fein, Denis Donaldson, was a police informer throughout most of the peace process.
    He appears to be an example of an agent working for both sides, for he was implicated in gathering intelligence inside Stormont on members of the security forces and the Prison Service, many of whom had to move home after the scale of his spying was unearthed.
    At the end of the Troubles, IRA members were afraid to go out on operations, because they didn't trust those they were sent out with not to be informers, or spies.
    This massive infiltration of the paramilitaries, combined with a failure to arrest and convict many players, including agents, derived from a type of policing and security response which prioritised intelligence over evidence.
    Indeed, evidence was squandered, or destroyed, presumably to protect intelligence channels.
    De Silva, who exposed more of this than anyone else, concluded, 'that the intelligence-led security response to the Troubles did play a significant role in constraining all terrorist organisations, to the extent that they were forced to realise their aims were not achievable by violent means.
    If that is so, it is a story that should be told.
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    There is a new RTE documentary coming out next week that says that the top levels of British Government issued instructions to serial "loyalist paramilitary" killers to "get on with it, just don't get caught."

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-31296370.html
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    bejaysus, RTÉ are going to broadcast a documentary about collusion

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-31296370.html

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    Just what is the actual agenda here? Maybe it's just my utter contempt for the London and Dublin establishments but I simply don't believe either would ever voluntarily tell the truth, or even part of the truth, without some sort of agenda.

    And this is clearly being driven by London with RTE eventually being told to get on-message.

    Why is it suddenly in London's interest to adjust the balance of the narrative especially in a way that does not exactly cast them in a favourable light? On one level I'm happy to see this stuff, that northern nationalists always knew, being openly acknowledged by the establishment even if the only benefit is if it shuts up the smug clueless Deefer types....on another level I'm still wary as to where this is intended to lead us all. Cos wherever they are taking us is very unlikely, given the nature of the two governments involved, to be a place based on truth, accountability, the rule of law and the welfare of the citizenry...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    Just what is the actual agenda here? Maybe it's just my utter contempt for the London and Dublin establishments but I simply don't believe either would ever voluntarily tell the truth, or even part of the truth, without some sort of agenda.

    And this is clearly being driven by London with RTE eventually being told to get on-message.

    Why is it suddenly in London's interest to adjust the balance of the narrative especially in a way that does not exactly cast them in a favourable light? On one level I'm happy to see this stuff, that northern nationalists always knew, being openly acknowledged by the establishment even if the only benefit is if it shuts up the smug clueless Deefer types....on another level I'm still wary as to where this is intended to lead us all. Cos wherever they are taking us is very unlikely, given the nature of the two governments involved, to be a place based on truth, accountability, the rule of law and the welfare of the citizenry...
    I can think of one possible agenda, which is that the North is costing London a lot and a border after Brexit is unworkable.

    Throw the nationalists a few bones, get the South inside, and get us out of the EU at the same time?? Or ditch the Unionists and their costs in a post Brexit recession??

    Dunno if I'm right, but I'd agree that it's all unlikely to be purely altruistic....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    Just what is the actual agenda here? Maybe it's just my utter contempt for the London and Dublin establishments but I simply don't believe either would ever voluntarily tell the truth, or even part of the truth, without some sort of agenda.

    And this is clearly being driven by London with RTE eventually being told to get on-message.

    Why is it suddenly in London's interest to adjust the balance of the narrative especially in a way that does not exactly cast them in a favourable light? On one level I'm happy to see this stuff, that northern nationalists always knew, being openly acknowledged by the establishment even if the only benefit is if it shuts up the smug clueless Deefer types....on another level I'm still wary as to where this is intended to lead us all. Cos wherever they are taking us is very unlikely, given the nature of the two governments involved, to be a place based on truth, accountability, the rule of law and the welfare of the citizenry...
    My guess is the long-term agenda is re-unified Ireland in return for us rejoining the Commonwealth.

    It was interesting to see both Eamon O'Cuiv and a Tory MP who although a bit of a maverick used to be a whip flying that kite in recent years.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/le...ealth-1.143488

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...n_5191469.html
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    On tonight at 9.35 p.m. on RTE.

    "The British decided they could not fight two sides at the same time"

    .... But one of the two sides was their own....

    http://www.rte.ie/tv/programmes/collusion.html

    We have a number of different threads on British use of loyalist murderers to advance their N. Irish agenda.

    I'll gather them into a subforum, for easier reference.
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    I watched a good bit of RTE's programme tonight, but missed part.

    The main thing that struck me (other than the lack, in the parts I watched, of any attempt to clarify why these events were taking place - who authorised them and why) was
    that the same things, exactly, are going on now in the Middle East and have been going on there on an industrial scale, for years.
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    Nobody interested? Pretty much as I expected.

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