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    Conservatives David Cameron wants to do a deal with Lib/Dems he has said that they wouldn't shift policy on Europe and was committed to retaining Britains nulear deterrent.

    He does see areas where they could come together:-

    Mr Cameron cited reform of the electoral and tax systems as areas where negotiation was possible. The former , in particular, will be seen as attractive to the Lib Dems, who have called for a referendum on proportional representation.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...breaking1.html

    It's a poison chalice for whoever goes in to power now. A hung parliament won't last for long and could be detrimental to the long term good of any party that goes in to office now.

    I suppose the course of it will run probably between 6 months and 2years depending on how long they can stick to their agreement.

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    Another quick election would kill the Lib Dems. No one would see the point in case of another hung parliment. If 200 seats less than Labour is what they got with nearly a quarter of the vote, a drop in vote share would finish them.

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    A 1000+ protest in favour of proportional representation has just taken place outside the Lib Dem meeting. Clegg came out to address the protesters but he was distinctly guarded in his statements. - "political reform" yes, but no mention of specific electoral reform, which is desperately needed.

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    I see Salmond of the SNP looking for a Labour/LibDem/SNP coalition.

    If Clegg won't make a deal to form a government, and leaves the UK in the middle of this economic crisis with a Government unable to carry its votes through, there would be another election in weeks. It looks as though Clegg will do a Gormley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Flower View Post
    I see Salmond of the SNP looking for a Labour/LibDem/SNP coalition.

    If Clegg won't make a deal to form a government, and leaves the UK in the middle of this economic crisis with a Government unable to carry its votes through, there would be another election in weeks. It looks as though Clegg will do a Gormley.
    Proportional representation is offered by Labour, but not by the Tories.

    A big noisy demonstration of Lib Dem supporters who want a LibDem Lab coalition and proportional representation.

    "No sell out" they say.... a bit late, I think they're sold in exchange for "transparency and openness".

    The parleying for jobs is on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Flower View Post
    Clegg has not forgotten his past in the Young Tories it seems.

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/cam...gg-456759.html
    I didn't know that Clegg was a member of the young Tories. He broke the traditional mode by consulting with the Tories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    *shrugs*

    The system is fundamentally broken, and the UK can't afford to keep borrowing much longer.

    The instincts of the political class - just like in Ireland - would be to kick the poor and protect the rich alright but I think the rot at this stage runs too deep and the scammery has become far too obvious. They'll have to start real reforms towards a more sane, fair and stable system than the degenerate pork corruption we've become used to.

    And the populace won't actually like that any more than they'd have liked straightforward kick-the-poor policies.
    Yeah same applies to Ireland re system is broken. Hence the need for a new reform as PR has to be thrown out as it doesn't work here at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summerday Sands View Post
    What role would Clegg play in a Cameron government?
    Doormat? Mudguard?

    That's the drill here in Oireland Inc.

    Nick Clegg - Harney he ain't!
    "It is we the workers who built these palaces and cities here in Spain and in America and everywhere. We, the workers, can build others to take their place. And better ones! We are not in the least afraid of ruins. We are going to inherit the earth; there is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie might blast and ruin its own world before it leaves the stage of history. We carry a new world here, in our hearts."
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    Quote Originally Posted by C Flower View Post
    Clegg has not forgotten his past in the Young Tories it seems.

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/cam...gg-456759.html
    Jeez even the politicians keep their word (rare occasions) they get criticised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kid Ryder View Post
    Doormat? Mudguard?

    That's the drill here in Oireland Inc.

    Nick Clegg - Harney he ain't!
    Clegg is a heavy duty trade/policy asset with a lot of experience in the former USSR territory - as he's from a White Russian background, there's a certain symmetry in that. He has all the look of another placed operative like Blair.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Clegg

    Like Obama, Clegg is cosmopolitan ( half Dutch, a quarter Russian), speaking four European languages, from a background of privileged education, internships and possibly intel related posts and projects.

    Like Obama, he's forgetful about aspects of his college life. He doesn't remember signing up for the Young Conservatives (although the records say he did).

    Like Obama (Harvard) he did his Masters in an elite school - The College of Europe
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Europe
    (alumni include David McWilliams and CIA op Valerie Plame )

    Like Obama he has shot up the political ladder in record time.

    Like Obama, he is personable, youngish, and says "Hope" and "Change" every five minutes.

    http://www.libdems.org.uk/spokespeop...f-d4600f1cedce


    Clegg next moved to Brussels where he worked for six months as a trainee in the G24 co-ordination unit which delivered aid to the countries of the former Soviet Union.
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    In 1993, Clegg won the Financial Times' David Thomas Prize, in remembrance of an FT journalist killed on assignment in Kuwait in 1991. Clegg was the award's first recipient. He was later sent to Hungary, where he wrote articles about the mass privatisation of industries in the former communist bloc.[17]
    In April 1994 he took up a post at the European Commission, working in the TACIS aid programme to the former Soviet Union. For two years he was responsible for developing direct aid programmes in Central Asia and the Caucasus, worth €50 million. He was involved in negotiations with Russia on airline overflight rights, and launched a conference in Tashkent in 1993 that founded TRACECA—an international transport programme for the development of a Transport Corridor for Europe, the Caucasus and Asia.

    Vice President and Trade Commissioner Leon Brittan (Tory) then offered Clegg a job in his private office, as a European Union policy adviser and speech writer. As part of this role, Clegg was in charge of the EC negotiating team on Chinese and Russian accession talks to the World Trade Organisation.[17]

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Flower View Post
    Clegg is a heavy duty trade/policy asset with a lot of experience in the former USSR territory - as he's from a White Russian background, there's a certain symmetry in that. He has all the look of another placed operative like Blair.
    Good post CF, so we can rest assured that Clegg is no Gormley (in terms of naiveté), at least. But to return to the Harney analogy for a sec, she was the front for the multinationals and the domestic interests (a shocking number of whom are consultants or consultant-entrepreneurs) who want for-profit medicine. For whom or for what is Clegg a stalking horse, if that is indeed what he is?
    "It is we the workers who built these palaces and cities here in Spain and in America and everywhere. We, the workers, can build others to take their place. And better ones! We are not in the least afraid of ruins. We are going to inherit the earth; there is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie might blast and ruin its own world before it leaves the stage of history. We carry a new world here, in our hearts."
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    Market liberalisation / privatisation and "savage spending cuts".

    A new generation Thatcherite. Part of the "State within a State"

    Here's another beauty - newly elected Tory M.P.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rory_Stewart

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Flower View Post
    Here's another beauty - newly elected Tory M.P.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rory_Stewart
    Beauty is the word. He's got stuff on his CV I would never advertise if I were him. But th'oul wiki is merciless, which is why many celebrities hate the site.
    "It is we the workers who built these palaces and cities here in Spain and in America and everywhere. We, the workers, can build others to take their place. And better ones! We are not in the least afraid of ruins. We are going to inherit the earth; there is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie might blast and ruin its own world before it leaves the stage of history. We carry a new world here, in our hearts."
    — Buenaventura Durruti

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    I think he should do no deal. Let a minority Conservative fight for his love on every major policy issue. He comes out clean come the next election with two disgraced parties behind him

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