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    It just gets worse...
    FIONNAN SHEAHAN – UPDATED 25 MARCH 2014 02:46 PMMAJOR revelations on the recording of conversations in garda stations have been notified to the Government.
    Some of the incidents will have serious consequences for court cases.The Cabinet discussed the revelations at its meeting today and a full statement is expected shortly.
    Taoiseach Enda Kenny was informed of the new revelations about garda conduct at the weekend.
    Ministers were briefed about the revelations at the Cabinet meeting, where Garda Commissioner Martin Callinan's resignation was also discussed.
    A Coalition source said the new developments are extremely serious and more significant even than the whistleblower controversies.
    A Government statement will be issued soon.
    The Government is expected to set up an inquiry to investigate major revelations on recording of conversations in Garda stations.
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-30124162.html

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    Statement:
    Published on Tuesday 25th March 2014Government Statement on Matters Relating to An Garda Síochána

    At its meeting today, the Government considered a new and very serious issue relating to An Garda Síochána.
    The implications of this matter are potentially of such gravity that the Government has decided to set up a statutory Commission of Investigation into this matter of significant public concern. It will be chaired by a senior serving or retired member of the Judiciary.
    In the context of ongoing legal proceedings in a particular case, the Government has learned that a system was in place in a large number of Garda stations whereby incoming and outgoing telephone calls were taped and recorded. The Government was informed of this new information at its meeting today.
    As the matter is before the Courts, it is not appropriate to make any further comment on the specific case.
    From the information available, the practice of making recordings was in place for many years and was discontinued in November of 2013. It is not yet clear why this practice was in operation.
    The Government is extremely concerned about this information.
    The Government has asked for a full, detailed report on all aspects of this matter from An Garda Síochána and the Department of Justice and Equality, so that an informed decision can be made on the legal and other consequences, with the assistance of the Attorney General.
    The terms of reference for the Commission of Investigation will be decided shortly, once a full report on the circumstances has been made available to the Government.
    The Government also decided to agree to the retirement of Mr Martin Callinan from the position of Commissioner of An Garda Síochána.
    The Government thanked the Commissioner for his long and dedicated service to the State.
    In accordance with the relevant provisions of the Garda Síochána Act, 2005, Deputy Commissioner Nóirín O’Sullivan has been appointed as interim Garda Commissioner.
    Arrangements will be put in place for an open competition for a permanent appointment to the post of Garda Commissioner as soon as is practicable.
    The Government reiterated its commitment to its extensive programme of reform, including the passing of the Government legislation to protect whistleblowers and to extend freedom of information.
    It also reiterated its commitment to the reform of Garda oversight and accountability. This will include the establishment of an independent Garda authority, which is appropriate to Ireland’s needs and which will maintain appropriate democratic accountability to the Oireachtas.
    The Government will bring forward the full detail of its comprehensive reform proposals in the coming months.

    This will be done following the completion of the current inquiries by Judge Cooke and Mr Guerin, the forthcoming hearings by the Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality and the Review of the Garda Síochána which is currently underway under the Haddington Road Agreement.

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    looks nervously at Anglo trial

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    How come it only stopped in November 2013?

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    Callinan at the PAC time before last was November but I guess the genie was slowly coming out the bottle

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    Mick McCaffrey@mickmcsworld 2m
    It's understood recording of phone calls in stations relates to Sophie Tuscan du Plantier case. Evidence that one station in Cork involved

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    Actually when Callinan was demanding PAC return the whistleblower documents

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    Apparently more serious than the #whistleblowers controversy ... actually this is just confirmation of the rot within!!
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    Further to McCaffrey's tweet there I see that there was new telephone material in the Bailey case in November 2013.

    Last November, he gave the defendants until Mar 25 to examine new electronic material, described as “phone traffic” material, uncovered by gardaí who have been trawling through a large amount of documents in preparation for the actions. The judge was told it would take considerable time, and international assistance, to unscramble the previously unheard “phone traffic”.
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...ey-256915.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    looks nervously at Anglo trial
    You're very right to be concerned.

    There's more though. There was an abomination put away for the horrific rapes of two children recently. The judge even gave a half decent sentence in the matter. If the gardaí recorded conversations between this creep and his solicitor...

    Every conviction, where a suspect was arrested and contacted a solicitor, has a possible taint. This would tend to put the Anglo trial at the lower end of the risk scale. However, timing...

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    Very interesting from the journal.ie

    This “new information” however won’t surprise anyone who will have noted a report by the Garda Ombudsman relating to a case in Waterford in 2010.
    Academic and journalist Elaine Byrne retweeted a message from a Tim Price on Twitter, pointing out that the recording of incoming and outcoming calls from a Garda station had previously been highlighted in a court case:
    That case – although not the case referred to in today’s Government statement on how the systemic recordings came to light – shows that illegal recording of calls to and from Garda stations is a matter of public record.
    In 2010, Anthony Holness of Waterford made a complaint that he had been assaulted by gardai in the city. That case went to trial in 2011, two gardai were jailed for harming Holness when he was being arrested; another garda was given a suspended sentence for perverting the course of justice.
    During the course of the trial the lawfulness or otherwise of the Garda Síochána at Waterford Garda Station recording incoming and outgoing calls on their public lines, and the admission of the evidence obtained during the use of such practices became the subject of protracted legal argument.On the 29th of January 2010, shortly after the arrest of Mr Holness, there was telephone communication between certain of the accused. These calls were recorded on the Garda Síochána recording system and a recording was provided to GSOC. This recording was offered in evidence by the DPP. Objections were raised by the Defence. The court held that the practice engaged in by the gardaí at Waterford Garda Station of recording all incoming and outgoing calls on a particular phone line was in breach of the relevant statute on the recording of telephone communications, which requires that at least one of the parties to a phone call has consented to its being recorded.
    This requirement was deemed to have not been met on this occasion. The court ruled that the evidence obtained in those calls was inadmissible.
    On consideration of the ruling of the court the Garda Commissioner may wish to re-evaluate his practice regarding the recording of such calls and the consents required if it is to be permissible to use such recordings in evidence.
    http://www.thejournal.ie/illegal-gar...e=twitter_self

    So was this a phone used by people in custody to contact their families or solicitors?

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    Certainly, a question is, why did this stop at the end of 2013.

    The whistleblowers both alleged that Gardaí regularly set up innocent people in order to boost their stats.

    That still to me remains a most serious allegation that no-one wants to talk about.

    More to come.
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    I’m going to quote the story from today’s Irish Times.
    The chairman, Mr Justice Frederick Morris, asked if the Letterkenny bugging was not an isolated incident and he replied: “No, not by any means.” On May 17th, 2001, his allegations of bugging appeared in a newspaper.
    Mr Justice Morris asked why he made arrangements and orchestrated the fact that it was going to be published. What was his objective?
    “My objective was to show this was going on,” Det Sgt White said. ” It had been kept secret for so long and I found that AC Carty was up in Donegal investigating matters but he had been entirely selective and what I told him was, if you are going to investigate everything in Donegal, why not investigate the bugging at the Garda station as well and he totally cut me short on that.
    “I suppose in a way it was my way of getting back at AC Carty because he was covering it and hiding it,” he added.
    Mr Justice Morris asked if there was nobody else to whom he could have brought this information. “You were aware that something basically very improper was going on, that they were bugging solicitors’ interviews and you were aware that not only was it happening in this instance but was happening, if you like, nationwide,” he said.
    He said Det Sgt White could have broadcast it to the public or gone to his higher authority with this scandalous information. Why he did not report it in a formal manner to maybe the commissioner? Why did he not bring it to the notice of the people who should know about it?
    “Because they all knew about it,” Det Sgt White said. Asked why he went public with it, he replied it was to get it out in the public arena and have a full investigation. He resented Mr Carty for what he had done and the improper manner in which he had treated him and set him up
    Extraordinary that this was let sit back in 2002. Do you know if the Morris Tribunal made any finding on it ?

    The idea that it has suddenly come into view today is not credible.

    *Sound of spinning and media management wings flapping fill the air"

    Might as well open the doors of all the jails today and tell people to go home.
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    Noonan is asked on the Six One when Shatter became aware of this phone bugging. Replies that the AG brought it to Kenny's attention on Sunday and he presumes that Kenny brought it to Shatter's attention.
    When asked if Shatter was informed back in November when the bugging was discontinued he says he has no information on when Shatter found out about it.
    Looks bad when Noonan is being sent out to deal with this.

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