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    Breaking news this morning. Italian rescuers fear over 700 immigrants have drowned early Sunday morning off Lampedusa. Their boat capzised due to overloading. The rescuers managed to save 28, but fear the rest have been lost.
    Meanhwile, Greek TV presenter Antonis Milonakis, working for the privately owned ART TV station is in hot water after stating live on air that Greece should let those trying to enter Greece illegally via the Aegean drown. The station owner, linked to Nea Demokratia, has so far resisted calls to sack the clown immediately...

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    David Cameron’s irresponsible and ignorant intervention in Libya (which alone should be enough to ensure he never holds responsible office again) is now causing one of the greatest human upheavals of modern times.

    A wave of human misery is now heading to Europe – and eventually to Britain – from the fiery chaos of post-Cameron Libya.

    In one week, at least 10,000 migrants have been ferried to Italy by greedy criminal traffickers.

    These calculating monsters put only enough fuel in the tanks of their boats to get them halfway across. Then they call the Italian coastguard to tell them to pick up the drifting victims before they drown or die of exposure.

    And of course civilised Europe does pick them up. What choice do we have? It goes against centuries of Christianity to leave them (as the ruthless traffickers happily do) to their fate, and hope that this will discourage them.

    And how can we send them back to the failed and lawless state which has already driven them out after robbing them? So it will not be long before they arrive at Calais and join the queue to be smuggled into Britain.

    I can see no obvious solution to this. It reminds me of the great illegal migration of Latin Americans that utterly transformed the USA in the 1990s, and continues to do so.

    Should we have listened more carefully to Colonel Gaddafi, whom we drove from power and left to be murdered in a ditch? By assisting in his overthrow, have we replaced the terrible with the horrible?

    Back in August 2010, the Libyan despot went to Rome and made a blackmailing offer which many Italian politicians must now be wishing they had accepted.

    Gaddafi said: ‘Italy needs to convince her European allies to accept this Libyan proposal – €5 billion [then about £4 billion] to Libya to stop illegal immigration. ‘Europe runs the risk of turning black from illegal immigration, it could turn into Africa. We need support from the European Union to stop this army trying to get across from Libya, which is their entry point.

    ‘At the moment there is a dangerous level of immigration from Africa into Europe and we don’t know what will happen.

    ‘What will be the reaction of the white Christian Europeans to this mass of hungry, uneducated Africans?’

    You will have to look up what he said next as it is simply too shocking and unpleasant for me to reproduce.

    That’s the problem. While we won’t think about it, the unthinkable is actually happening, and we have no idea what to do.

    http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co....ention-it.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephilant View Post
    Breaking news this morning. Italian rescuers fear over 700 immigrants have drowned early Sunday morning off Lampedusa. Their boat capzised due to overloading. The rescuers managed to save 28, but fear the rest have been lost.
    Meanhwile, Greek TV presenter Antonis Milonakis, working for the privately owned ART TV station is in hot water after stating live on air that Greece should let those trying to enter Greece illegally via the Aegean drown. The station owner, linked to Nea Demokratia, has so far resisted calls to sack the clown immediately...
    At least this number of dead seems to be confirmed.
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
    — Jean-Paul Sartre

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    At least this number of dead seems to be confirmed.
    Sadly enough it was. Meanwhile, more navy ships are being scrambled from Souda following reports of another refugees ship in trouble in the Aegean. Tsipras has contacted his Italian counterpart to work on a common approach to force the EU to step up to the plate and do what needs doing. No time for nice, fancy but very hollow words he says. And Renzi agrees, making it very clear that Italy cannot carry on like this without major assistance from the EU "partners". Between Italy and Greece, we are the target for 98% of refugees attempting to reach Europe. Spain gets the remaining 2%.

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    There's a very selective treatment of the realities here (well, it is the Mail on Sunday), but some information also, along with the scare-mongering:

    These calculating monsters put only enough fuel in the tanks of their
    boats to get them halfway across. Then they call the Italian
    coastguard to tell them to pick up the drifting victims before they
    drown or die of exposure.

    And of course civilised Europe does pick them up. What choice do we
    have? It goes against centuries of Christianity to leave them (as the
    ruthless traffickers happily do) to their fate, and hope that this
    will discourage them. . . .

    That’s the problem. While we won’t think about it, the unthinkable is
    actually happening, and we have no idea what to do.
    http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephilant View Post
    Sadly enough it was. Meanwhile, more navy ships are being scrambled from Souda following reports of another refugees ship in trouble in the Aegean. Tsipras has contacted his Italian counterpart to work on a common approach to force the EU to step up to the plate and do what needs doing. No time for nice, fancy but very hollow words he says. And Renzi agrees, making it very clear that Italy cannot carry on like this without major assistance from the EU "partners". Between Italy and Greece, we are the target for 98% of refugees attempting to reach Europe. Spain gets the remaining 2%.
    Today I hear the US has rescinded a trade agreement with Senegal that will cost 17,000 jobs in textiles. Manufacturing is being ripped out of parts of Africa and the Middle East, as it was out of the European periphery as the EU was developed.

    So, everyone needs to live in Germany.
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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    Between Italy and Greece, we are the target for 98% of refugees attempting to reach Europe.
    Target?
    But you welcome this, do you not? Isn't this going to lead to a Greek renaissance, or am I misreading your view. If you have open borders and a welcome for everybody then it is not tens of thousands that you will be welcoming but hundreds of thousands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Binn Beal View Post
    Target?
    But you welcome this, do you not? Isn't this going to lead to a Greek renaissance, or am I misreading your view. If you have open borders and a welcome for everybody then it is not tens of thousands that you will be welcoming but hundreds of thousands.
    NATO bombed Libya flat a couple of years ago. Syria is under a war of attrition. Corporations have shifted manufacture to China.

    What are people supposed to do ?
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Binn Beal View Post
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    But you welcome this, do you not? Isn't this going to lead to a Greek renaissance, or am I misreading your view. If you have open borders and a welcome for everybody then it is not tens of thousands that you will be welcoming but hundreds of thousands.
    What we welcome, and so should everybody else, is a normal exchange of different cultural and ethnic backgrounds, people with different ideas, a different look on life, a different way of doing things. If a country does not have that input, (and doesn't give that input!), it it becomes stagnant. Bellybutton staring is never good, not as an individual, not as a nation. Facilitating such an influx by necessity requires open borders.
    The downside is of course when idiots like Cameron, Obama change the dynamic from an exchange to a stampede by turning a vast area into a warzone with mob-rule. Like the Middle East at this stage. If you look at the map of the world, they have very effectively created a corridor of mob-rule all the way from the Ukraine to Yemen and everywhere in between. "National interest" don't you know.
    As a direct result of this we are not looking at a "normal" influx" of people any longer, we are looking at masses of people running for their lives.
    So, do we, as you suggest, close our borders? Slam the door in their faces and do what Antonis Milonakis suggests and "let them drown"? Do we lose all sense of morality and humanity because of "the economy"? Or do we act as human beings and offer these people at least shelter and safety, and if possible a little hope? Do we show our humanity and give them the chance to become part off, and help build a new country, culture and economy that both we and them can call "ours"? I'm glad, and proud, to belong to one of the two EU states that still has its humanity as its main priority, at any cost, over and above economic considerations...
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    I was thinking about the numbers here -say 10k this week. Sounds a lot but shared around 28 Europeans states it is quite trifling. Then another thought sprang into my mind unbidden as they say : we can't send any of these traumatised people to any of the new 'accession' states of eastern Europe. Their own minorities are not safe even. They should never have been permitted to join - quite apart from economic considerations. Then Greece , Portugal and Spain are banjaxed by debt - as is Ireland. It would make more sense for the West to help Middle East and African states. If they can get over this daft belief in 'liberal intervention'. It worked ok in Sierra Leone. Then Blair went a bit 'troppo' and thought he had some kind of mission to save the world...

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    I'm glad, and proud, to belong to one of the two EU states that still has its humanity as its main priority, at any cost, over and above economic considerations.
    In that case it will be well to prepare for many hundreds of thousands of new citizens as the perpetual war in the Middle East and North Africa is still being fuelled by the western arms dealers.

    Respectfully, I don't want to waste space discussing the causes of the endless war, as I imagine we all agree on that. Also, I see no point in comparing our concerns for victims, as again I suspect we all share the sense of horror at what is happening. The government of Greece - and Italy and the rest of Europe - needs to do some governing and come up with a policy. This is all the more urgent for Greece with its economy in ruins and being the frontline for the mass migration of people from the east. Of course new people will enrich the culture and will most likely be good and productive citizens but that is not the issue.

    Does Syriza have a policy or is it something along the lines of its economic policy of wait and see?

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    This man has a policy and it may be that the EU/US are actively operating the wars and migrations with this in mind.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-18519395

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    Sir Peter Sutherland - the 'occasional Irishman' who is chair of Goldman Sachs and the LSE. Ah, I recall when the LSE was a hotbed of socialist activity. So he thinks Europe must lose its homogeneity. But I expect he lives in some all white enclave. Wonder what his solution to the crisis in the Med would entail. Migrants packed into sweatshops I imagine.

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    And so it goes on. At least 300 more people in trouble in the Med:

    The International Organization for Migration (IOM) says it has received a distress call from a sinking boat with 300 migrants in the Mediterranean.
    Some 20 people are reported dead, an IOM spokesman said.
    The caller said about three boats needed help in international waters.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32383126

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    This is getting crazier and crazier. An SOS has been picked up about an hour ago, mention 3 boats which ar sinking in the med, full of refugees. the SOS says that many people are in the water, and many have already drowned... Helicopters, naval vessels, fishermen are all scrambling to the area, presumed to be between Libya and Lampedusa, but nobody is sure of the exact location.
    More to follow as this unfolds.

    This dramatic video was shot on Rhodos, where a number of refugees managed to swim to, after their boat capsized.



    This picture shows a Greek resucer bringing a Syrian refugee on shore. Unfortunately, the child she was holding did not make it...




    video and image from www.rhodosreport.gr

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