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    Default REFUGEE CRISIS: Over 300 migrants drowned off Italian island of Lampedusa - granted posthumous citizenship

    Maybe there's already a thread on this tragic occurrence, but if so, I failed to find it.

    More than 300 people, mainly Somalian or Eritrean, yesterday drowned or were feared dead less than half a mile off the Sicilian island of Lampedusa.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world...land-1.1549524

    Crocodile tears from politicians quickly submerged much of the factual reportage detailing the immigrants' background. Or maybe they were genuine tears in some cases, and I'm just cynical. The pope even "sent his almoner to Lampedusa to pray over" the recovered corpses.

    A further bizarre touch has now been added to the appalling saga:

    "The hundreds who lost their lives off Lampedusa yesterday are Italian citizens as of today," Prime Minister Enrico Letta said on Friday - an official day of mourning for the victims.

    But for the survivors, crammed in a refugee centre hosting four times more people than its normal capacity, the situation remains dire. Under a law passed by the previous centre-right government, "clandestine immigrants" are considered illegal and have to pay fines of up to €5,000.
    http://euobserver.com/justice/121681
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    Default Re: Over 300 migrants drowned off Italian island of Lampedusa - granted posthumous citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Hapax View Post
    Maybe there's already a thread on this tragic occurrence, but if so, I failed to find it.



    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world...land-1.1549524

    Crocodile tears from politicians quickly submerged much of the factual reportage detailing the immigrants' background. Or maybe they were genuine tears in some cases, and I'm just cynical. The pope even "sent his almoner to Lampedusa to pray over" the recovered corpses.

    A further bizarre touch has now been added to the appalling saga:

    http://euobserver.com/justice/121681
    Crocodile tears of the worst kind. More to the point to give citizenship to the next 100.

    There has been some discussion of the awful loss of life of migrants in the Mediterranean here -

    http://www.politicalworld.org/showth...ight=Lampedusa

    Many of those who make it end up in dire circumstances, some working as agricultural labourers in the tunnels in Spain and living in tents or shacks.

    I have seen African migrants in Paris though that are full of energy and forming groups, campaigning hard for rights.
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    Default Re: Over 300 migrants drowned off Italian island of Lampedusa - granted posthumous citizenship

    And now . . .

    Italy is to hold a state funeral for the hundreds of migrants who died after their boat capsized close to the island of Lampedusa last Thursday.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24456058

    It's almost funny, but I can't quite bring myself to laugh.

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    Default Re: Over 300 migrants drowned off Italian island of Lampedusa - granted posthumous citizenship

    Quote Originally Posted by Hapax View Post
    And now . . .

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24456058

    It's almost funny, but I can't quite bring myself to laugh.
    Bizarre. A pantomime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Bizarre. A pantomime.
    It continues.

    Survivors of a shipwreck in which hundreds of African migrants died have protested in Italy after being excluded from a ceremony to honour the victims. . . .

    The ceremony, held in the Sicilian port of Agrigento, fell short of the full state funeral that the Italian government had originally promised.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24617419

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    Over 1100 refugees brought on shore today by the Italian coastguard. They were found in infatable rafts some 150km South of Lampedusa. Reports of many dead near the Spanish enclave Cueta. Our coastguard has also finding boatloads of refugees trying to make it to one of our many islands on a daily basis. We are talking thousands of them per week. We are dealing with mainly Syrian refugees, many of whom also arrive on foot via Turkey. Unless the EU steps in and offers some practical solutions, this is a time bomb that will go off at the next elections in May, and there is only one party that will benefit from that... The propaganda machine is already in full swing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ephilant View Post
    Over 1100 refugees brought on shore today by the Italian coastguard. They were found in infatable rafts some 150km South of Lampedusa. Reports of many dead near the Spanish enclave Cueta. Our coastguard has also finding boatloads of refugees trying to make it to one of our many islands on a daily basis. We are talking thousands of them per week. We are dealing with mainly Syrian refugees, many of whom also arrive on foot via Turkey. Unless the EU steps in and offers some practical solutions, this is a time bomb that will go off at the next elections in May, and there is only one party that will benefit from that... The propaganda machine is already in full swing.
    A desperate situation: what should be done ?

    Until things reach a resolution in Syria, it looks to go on and on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    A desperate situation: what should be done ?

    Until things reach a resolution in Syria, it looks to go on and on.
    These people cannot wait for "things to reach a solution" in Syria. The Syrians and "interested parties" are far to busy killing each other to even start looking for a solution. But it is not just Syria, it is the whole Sub-Saharan area of Africa that seems to be on the move. Also, do not forget that those in the boats and rafts are in fact the better off people in Africa. They could afford to pay extortionate prices to try and get out. What about those who really have nothing?
    The very first thing the Northern European countries MUST do is revoke Dublin 2 and take their share of the problem. I have seen a refugee "camp". If you put your donkey in there you would be done for cruelty to animals, and rightfully so. The flood gates are open, Neither Italy nor Greece have the facilities, infrastructure nor manpower to handle this volume. If the EU does not pull the finger out and start releaving the pressure on those two countries, horrible things will happen. The strain is simply to much for already overstretched systems. Hiding behind Dublin 2 is cowardice of the highest order, using that excuse at this stage is nothing short of a crime against humanity...

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    It's a joke. They want to control all our lives with this federal union but they don't want to deal with the responsibilities that come with colonising poorer member states like safe border access and fair refuge. Definitely while the Syrian thing is ongoing there must be a recognition and immediate action that directs countries to take in more refugees, and not in slave like conditions. It's just ignoring the problem doing a Mexico on it and leads to death and misery. Countries should have to co-operate with each other, and to combat any populism or fanaticism, every country should be made take its own fair share.

    One of the times I'm gonna have to say though that immigration should not be decided on by the public. It should be politicians who put the right trains in motion because this is an issue which an increasingly racist Europe wants to ignore. The problem is no country seems to have a non elitist political class for decades now and it is election year. Alex Tsipras is the only politician in Europe with a chance of obtaining power whose party would not be out for themselves.

    Popular sentiment in this case is manufactured and is in dangerously familiar territory. Like Human rights, religion, ethnicity etc. immigration is a constitutional and international issue, but one democracy rarely serves well because people are petty and racist and many are so open to manipulation and scaremongering.
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    This is how refugees are threated... Scene: refugee camp in Corinth, almost 1 year ago (this incident happened on 19/02/2013). The refugees are living in abandoned old railway carriages. It has a touch of "Schindler's list" to it. Suddenly, 2 Greek registered cars enter the camp. The refugees scatter, they know what is going to happen. Some not fast enough.



    The young man is badly wounded, the car reverses over him and drives off



    On the way out, an old man is also knocked down and badly injured.Somebody managed to call the emergency services, only an ambulance shows up. No police



    This man accompanies his badly injured father to hospital.



    He was arrested for being in the country illegally, and deported back to Afghanistan in this case. Neither one of the drivers, nor the passengers have been arrested so far...

    Sadly enough, Greece is not alone in this. We rightfully get bad press about all of this, and deserve a lot worse. These images have not gone viral, they have rarely been published. The photographer, who is known locally, is afraid "they" will come after her if she does. She has obviously got very good reason to be afraid...(She did give me permission to publish them here)
    There is however a flip side to this. This shameful situation must be dealt with by the Greek authorities. The overall situation however is way beyond the capabilities of one government, if for no other reason than the sheer volume of refugees currently crossing the borders. Even the old, uncharted land mine fields at the Evros are now regularly used by refugees, with deadly consequences. Some of the villages on the Turkish side (where these fields are) now refuse any more burials. They simply can't cope...
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    Cass

    With Ephilants updates and the media constantly ignoring the plight of those in Greece could we set up a seperate blog to update people what is going on?

    Thanks for the update

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    News is coming in of another boat with refugees sinking of the island of Farmakonisi. So far, the bodies of a man, a woman and 2 children have been recoverd by the coastguard. The clothing they were wearing would indicate them to be Syrians. According to the coastguard the vessel is a local (Syrian) inshore fishing vessel, which would have had serious difficulty making the journey it did. The wreck of the boat has been located at a depth of about 75 m, but weather conditions are making it impossible for divers to reach the wreck. According to the coastguard bulletin, and going by the size of the vessel, there could have been up to 25 people on board...
    This comes on top of the new of more bodies being found in Cueta as well.

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    Yesterday, we heard about a boat full of refugees being in trouble at the North west of our island. Today, the first people rescued of the thing arrived here in Chania. Together with some pictures. All credit to the crew of the tanker Olympic Faith who responded to a very faint Mayday on channel 16, and found this thing, with 330 people on board, including 140 women and children. According to the captain of Olympic Faith, it's a miracle that this thing actually managed to float. He reckons a scrapyard would have refused it...





    The resuce operation was closely monitored by our own coastguards and an American war ship that happened to be on its way to join the rest of the American fleet gathering in Souda bay. The crew of Olympic Faith did a perfect job and got all the refugees off this floating death trap, then diverted course to the nearest safe landing point which is Chania.
    What most people forget when they see this kind of thing is that those on board, who are looking for a future at any cost, are the ones who can pay for this. And pay heavy. They are not to poorest of the poor in their country, most of them would be considered well to do by their local standards. It just begs the question what being poor really means if this is not it...



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    God almighty.

    But they are very brave, too. I remember thinking in Paris, meeting young illegal immigrants from Africa, how full of beans they were, bright and energetic, and how much they will be missed by the people left behind.
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    Earlier today, the Greek coastguard received an emergency call from a yacht close to the island of Samos. They knew, from the call, that the 10 m yacht and a dinghy carrying illegal immigrants were in trouble. When they got to the scene, the rescued 36 people in the sinking dinghy which was 2m long...They also recovered four bodies from the water. The yacht was taken in tow and pulled to Samos. Upon inspection, they found another 18 bodies on board of the yacht. Accprding to the survivors, the yacht had 60 to 65 people on board, so a massive sea search is now ongoing to locate the missing people. All are presumed dead.
    This weekend alone, the Greek coastguard rescued 250 people from the sea, almost all of them Syrian refugees...

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