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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche

    I have sufficiently stopped laughing now to write this post, I cant take this man seriously when you see his history...

    LaRouche began writing in 1973 about the use of certain psychological techniques on recruits. In an article called "Beyond Psychoanalysis", he wrote that a worker's persona had to be stripped away to arrive at a state he called "little me," from which it would be possible to "rebuild their personalities around a new socialist identity," according to The Washington Post.[39] The New York Times wrote that the first such session—which LaRouche called "ego-stripping"—involved a German member, Konstantin George, in the summer of 1973; LaRouche said that during the session he discovered that a plot to assassinate him had been implanted in George's mind.[40]

    He recorded sessions with a 26-year-old British member, Chris White, who had moved to England with LaRouche's former partner, Carol Schnitzer. In December 1973 LaRouche asked the couple to return to the U.S.; his followers sent tapes of the subsequent sessions with White to The New York Times as evidence of an assassination plot. According to the Times, "[t]here are sounds of weeping, and vomiting on the tapes, and Mr. White complains of being deprived of sleep, food and cigarettes. At one point someone says 'raise the voltage,' but (LaRouche) says this was associated with the bright lights used in the questioning rather than an electric shock." The Times wrote, "Mr. White complains of a terrible pain in his arm," then LaRouche can be heard saying, 'That's not real. That's in the program'." LaRouche told the newspaper White had been "reduced to an eight-cycle infinite loop with look-up table, with homosexual bestiality"; he said White had not been harmed and that a physician—a LaRouche movement member—had been present throughout.[40] White ended up telling LaRouche he had been programmed by the CIA and British intelligence to set up LaRouche for assassination by Cuban exile frogmen.[41]

    According to The Washington Post, "brainwashing hysteria" took hold of the movement; one activist said he attended meetings where members were writhing on the floor saying they needed de-programming.[9] In two weeks in January 1974, the group issued 41 separate press releases about brainwashing. One activist, Alice Weitzman, expressed skepticism about the claims.[42]
    Thought La Rouche was a socialist???

    LaRouche established contacts with Willis Carto's Liberty Lobby and elements of the Ku Klux Klan in 1974.[43] Frank Donner and Randall Rothenberg wrote that he made successful overtures to the Liberty Lobby and George Wallace's American Independent Party, adding that the "racist" policies of LaRouche's U.S. Labor Party endeared it to members of the Ku Klux Klan.[44] George Michael, in Willis Carto and the American Far Right, says that LaRouche shared with the Liberty Lobby's Willis Carto an antipathy towards the Rockefeller family.[45] The Liberty Lobby defended its alliance with LaRouche by saying the U.S. Labor Party had been able to "confuse, disorient, and disunify the Left".[45]
    LOL @ Accusations he was being targetted ..

    Since late 1973, I have been repeatedly the target of serious assassination threats and my wife has been three times the target of attempted assassination...My enemies are the circles of McGeorge Bundy, Henry Kissinger, Soviet President Yuri Andropov, W. Averell Harriman, certain powerful bankers, and the Socialist and Nazi Internationals, as well as international drug traffickers, Colonel Gadaffi, Ayatollah Khomaini and the Malthusian lobby
    *Chuckle*
    LaRouche interpreted the AIDS pandemic as fulfillment of his 1973 prediction that an epidemic would strike humanity in the 1980s. LaRouche said it had been created by the "Soviet war machine," or by the International Monetary Fund to kill "excess eaters" in Africa
    On rock music
    "Rock was not an accidental thing. This was done by people who set out in a deliberate way to subvert the United States. It was done by British intelligence,
    Oh dear...

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...Rouche#Fascism

    Anyways Im not going to witter on, this guy has run for president of the USA....we shall say no more...
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    http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&...l5WlO5BRyip9yg

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    http://www.lyndonlarouche.org/larouc...-assassins.htm
    Ouch

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    man who has been brainwashed by the KGB; that is
    sucking penises... Most women are to a large degree
    homosexual in this society. The relationship between
    daughter and mother is homosexual.”39
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    Poor Fluffy. If slanders against every rebel fighting against the financial oligarchy of the various Empires was listed in an encyclopedia of slanders you wouldn't have shelves enough for the volumes. Imagine the pages of slanders against great Americans like Washington as he was overthrowing the British Empire, Lincoln fighting for the Emancipation Proclamation, Franklin Roosevelt as he was giving his first inaugural speech to "throw the money changers from their high temples." What about the slanders against Dr Martin Luther King and his great dream? Just reflect on today and those who call the brave whistleblower Edward Snowden a traitor for exposing the horrible abuses of the NSA spying dragnet. Think about all the slanders against Ireland's rebel heros.
    The leaders in every nation's fight against colonialism and oppression have been slandered by those who profit from the oppression.

    The reason there are so many available slander websites, books and skewed wiki leaks pages against LaRouche these days is because his movement is leading a battle to re institute Glass -Steagall. In America the slogan is Bankrupt Wall Street Not the People. In Ireland it's Just say no to the Troika. There are similar and coordinated fights on every continent. This makes the Banksters very angry and they are making every slander available and cheap.

    There's a song that was adopted by the American Civil Rights Movement called "Which Side Are You On?" To be charitable to you Fluffy I would chalk up your thread here to unbelievable gullibility and naivete. I have seen times when a poster points this out to you and, if you don't have your heels dug in, you have humbly learned from it and corrected yourself. I would say this should be one of those times.

    As someone who is part of the LaRouche Movement and knows what is slander and what isn't I would ask you "Which Side are you on Fluffy?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by rebellin View Post
    Poor Fluffy. If slanders against every rebel fighting against the financial oligarchy of the various Empires was listed in an encyclopedia of slanders you wouldn't have shelves enough for the volumes. Imagine the pages of slanders against great Americans like Washington as he was overthrowing the British Empire, Lincoln fighting for the Emancipation Proclamation, Franklin Roosevelt as he was giving his first inaugural speech to "throw the money changers from their high temples." What about the slanders against Dr Martin Luther King and his great dream? Just reflect on today and those who call the brave whistleblower Edward Snowden a traitor for exposing the horrible abuses of the NSA spying dragnet. Think about all the slanders against Ireland's rebel heros.
    The leaders in every nation's fight against colonialism and oppression have been slandered by those who profit from the oppression.

    The reason there are so many available slander websites, books and skewed wiki leaks pages against LaRouche these days is because his movement is leading a battle to re institute Glass -Steagall. In America the slogan is Bankrupt Wall Street Not the People. In Ireland it's Just say no to the Troika. There are similar and coordinated fights on every continent. This makes the Banksters very angry and they are making every slander available and cheap.

    There's a song that was adopted by the American Civil Rights Movement called "Which Side Are You On?" To be charitable to you Fluffy I would chalk up your thread here to unbelievable gullibility and naivete. I have seen times when a poster points this out to you and, if you don't have your heels dug in, you have humbly learned from it and corrected yourself. I would say this should be one of those times.

    As someone who is part of the LaRouche Movement and knows what is slander and what isn't I would ask you "Which Side are you on Fluffy?"
    Im still not sold on it. The Glass Steagall legislation you mentioned permitted a wide range of securities activities

    http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/R41181_20100412.pdf

    As a Utopianist Im engaged with and am a socialist.

    http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2013/4032next.html

    Lyndon La Rouche Junior...
    Thus, what I must report here and now, is an ugly, global reality, which is a renewal of the evil actions launched, in chief, by the actually same authors as those of the Anglo-Saudi, mass-murderous attack on the United States September 11, 2001. Now, China is likely to become seriously concerned with the presently threatened renewal of these originally "9-11" threats. That is the original "9-11" attack which had been organized, almost entirely, by the relevant, allied Anglo-Dutch-Saudi forces, an attack then, which had set off the now accelerating global trend in sheer "Bush-league" financial swindles, swindles which are to be measured now in a count of the varieties of not merely millions of deaths, but the swindling of actually billions of innocent victims, at the least.
    Do you subscribe to the doctrines completely or pick and choose?
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    In an interview with Chinese media a few years ago..

    http://translate.google.com/translat...Fc_1210286.htm

    Am I reading through this translation he favours capitalism?

    insights.

    Lyndon LaRouche was born in 1922, the famous American economist and political activist, had earlier praised Marxism, and later in favor of American-style capitalist economy
    he has repeatedly called on world leaders renewed cooperation, to build a new international financial and monetary system.
    Rebellin do you subscribe to his theories...
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    To Fluffy:

    Sorry, that I didn't have time to seriously answer your questions on your postsa bove until now.
    LaRouche is totally anti capitalist, anti imperialist, anti fascist and republican. Since he is an American it is important to stress that republican for him has a small r and has nothing to do with the American Republican Party idiots.
    What he stands for is the American System of Political Economy, which predates socialism. The early studies of many Irish revolutionaries wrote about Matthew and Henry Carey, who were Irish, who along with Benjamin Franklin represented this view of organizing society for the common good, or as it says in the US founding documents, for the general welfare. He is anti capitalist because capitalism has been the oligarchical system of free trade, slavery,oppression and genocide. This is the British Empire's system and America fought a revolution against it and its rapacious philosophy has not yet been extinguished. The LaRouche movement orients to this idea, while its members see themselves as world citizens, while at the same time working to bring to fruition the best of their many nations, as it's movement is active on every continent. You say that you are utopian-- well you can see that my signature, is educating a renaissance and that is utopian in a deepest historical sense.
    Many of quotes people pick out to scandalize the LaRouche movement are either outright fraud or out of context fallacies of composition. This is not the fault of people like yourself, who find these quotes and are rightfully shocked by them. There is a whole industry of anti LaRouche journalists and writers who grind these things out. The reasons for that are complex and can be discussed another time if you wish.
    The overriding principle of the LaRouche movement is truthful solidarity, which is a dedication to the common good
    Since so much of post revolutionary American history has been dominated by Presidents and leaders who were traitors to these "American system" ideas, it could seem impossible to see this American Revolutionary and anti oligarchical empire orientation to be 1- not American per se 2- not possible and 3 - a living breathing movement in Ireland, other countries throughout the world or in the real America. Is it utopian to act on a great idea? Then why not?

    I have attempted to answer clearly,honestly and simply - but not in a dumbed down way - in the spirit in which your questions were ask.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rebellin View Post
    To Fluffy:

    Sorry, that I didn't have time to seriously answer your questions on your postsa bove until now.
    LaRouche is totally anti capitalist, anti imperialist, anti fascist and republican. Since he is an American it is important to stress that republican for him has a small r and has nothing to do with the American Republican Party idiots.
    What he stands for is the American System of Political Economy, which predates socialism. The early studies of many Irish revolutionaries wrote about Matthew and Henry Carey, who were Irish, who along with Benjamin Franklin represented this view of organizing society for the common good, or as it says in the US founding documents, for the general welfare. He is anti capitalist because capitalism has been the oligarchical system of free trade, slavery,oppression and genocide. This is the British Empire's system and America fought a revolution against it and its rapacious philosophy has not yet been extinguished. The LaRouche movement orients to this idea, while its members see themselves as world citizens, while at the same time working to bring to fruition the best of their many nations, as it's movement is active on every continent. You say that you are utopian-- well you can see that my signature, is educating a renaissance and that is utopian in a deepest historical sense.
    Many of quotes people pick out to scandalize the LaRouche movement are either outright fraud or out of context fallacies of composition. This is not the fault of people like yourself, who find these quotes and are rightfully shocked by them. There is a whole industry of anti LaRouche journalists and writers who grind these things out. The reasons for that are complex and can be discussed another time if you wish.
    The overriding principle of the LaRouche movement is truthful solidarity, which is a dedication to the common good
    Since so much of post revolutionary American history has been dominated by Presidents and leaders who were traitors to these "American system" ideas, it could seem impossible to see this American Revolutionary and anti oligarchical empire orientation to be 1- not American per se 2- not possible and 3 - a living breathing movement in Ireland, other countries throughout the world or in the real America. Is it utopian to act on a great idea? Then why not?

    I have attempted to answer clearly,honestly and simply - but not in a dumbed down way - in the spirit in which your questions were ask.
    There is going to be no argument from me that he is anti oligarichal (if such a word exists) and does represent some elements that both you and I rebellin find appealing but these quotes I find it hard to ignore. Even ideas of world citizenship are ideas that me myself would promote as a way of inclusiveness but do you deny that he has said those quotes? Are they out of context and part of a bigger picture that maybe Im failing to see somewhat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffybiscuits View Post
    There is going to be no argument from me that he is anti oligarichal (if such a word exists) and does represent some elements that both you and I rebellin find appealing but these quotes I find it hard to ignore. Even ideas of world citizenship are ideas that me myself would promote as a way of inclusiveness but do you deny that he has said those quotes? Are they out of context and part of a bigger picture that maybe Im failing to see somewhat?
    They are certainly out of context and part of a bigger picture. Again I will give them serious consideration as soon as I have the time to do so. Bear with me please as my time is somewhat limited
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    The wild quotes are from books written by career LaRouche bashers such as Dennis King in the US and a woman named Gilbert, who I never heard of in Australia, who explicitly says (when I looked up that quote) that she wrote a book to counter the expected electoral success of the LaRouche movement in Australia. How do such crazy quotes become accesible? There are websites dedicated to slanders and fantastic theories available for any one who wants to use such things.

    As for your question re: Glass Steagall; the law was passed in 1933 to, as Franklin Roosevelt said, Throw the economic royalists from their seats in the high temple" Glass-Steagall seperated speculative banking, including the sales of securities from normal banking and mandated that there would be no government support for the speculators gambling debts. It worked for decades. In the 80s Chicago School types around Alan Greemspan began to push for its repeal and chisle away at its power. In 1999 it was repealed and that repeal certainly led to the global econmomic collapse that we've all been suffering from ever since. In the US there is strong motion to reinstate Glass-Steagall with scores of co sponsors in the house and senate, In Europe too there is such motion, most notably, but not exclusively, in Iceland and Italy.

    Have I answered most of your questions now? If not ask away.If you want to see for yourself what the man and his movement writes about it's easy enough to go to the website that is part of my signature
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    http://www.lyndonlarouche.org/quotes.htm


    On the Holocaust:

    “The contemptible but impassioned sophistry which the Zionist demagogue offers to all foolish enough to be impressed with such hoaxes is the ‘holocaust’ thesis. It is argued that the culmination of the persecution of the Jews in the Nazi holocaust proves that Zionism is so essential to ‘Jewish survival’ that any anti-Zionist is therefore not only an anti-Semite, but that any sort of criminal activity is excusable against anti-Zionists in memory of the ‘six million Jewish victims’ of the Nazi ‘holocaust.’
    This is worse than sophistry. It is a lie. True, about a million and a half Jews did die as a result of the Nazi policy of labor-intensive ‘appropriate technology’ for the employment of ‘inferior races,’ a small fraction of the tens of millions of others--especially Slavs--who were murdered in the same way Jewish refugee Felix Rohatyn proposes today.” Ibid. [Felix Rohatyn, a New York banker, was involved at the time in helping to clean up the finances of New York City municipal government which were in a state of near collapse; the process involved temporary cutbacks in some city services. The implication is that if Mr. Rohatyn was indeed plotting, as a “Jewish refugee,” to commit genocide against tens of millions of people, then the Nazis’ murder of only a “million and a half Jews” was really not so bad in comparison. Indeed LaRouche asserts in the next sentence that ”[e]ven on a relative scale, what the Nazis did to Jewish victims was mild compared with the virtual extermination of gypsies and the butchery of Communists.”]

    The views of LaRouche’s wife Helga (who is expected to take over the organization when the elderly LaRouche dies or becomes incapacitated) are every bit as extreme as her husband’s. When an American TV series about the Holocaust was aired in Germany in 1979, Helga lashed out against this alleged “Holocaust swindle” which she regarded as a slander against her fellow Germans:
    Helga is a favourite over at PANA, the lunatics who are " agin' it " ; "it" being everything.



    On Jews and the killing of Jesus Christ:

    “The problem among Jews is ancient. The B’nai B’rith today resurrects the tradition of the Jews who demanded the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, the Jews who pleaded with Nero to launch the ‘holocaust’ against the Christians.”-- LaRouche, “New Pamphlet to Document the Cult Origins of Zionism,” New Solidarity, Dec. 8, 1978.
    Easy to see why a nutter like this would attract the P.org moths to his stinking flame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lapsedmethodist View Post

    Easy to see why a nutter like this would attract the P.org moths to his stinking flame.
    Don't be silly. I can only see one person here who supports Larouche.

    Demonising whole groups of people on the basis of zilch evidence ?
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    [QUOTE=C. Flower;360936]Don't be silly. I can only see one person here who supports Larouche.

    Demonising whole groups of people on the basis of zilch evidence ?[/QUWhy not read what I have written both on this site, on our website or on other threads before painting me with this disgusting brush.None of these slanders are accurate or true. Helga LaRouche, for instance wrote a whole book called the Hitler book to expose what a genocidal lunatic he was and who supported his rise to murderous power/.Lapsed methodist refers to PANa supporting her. I have been in politics for a long time but I have no idea what that is There have been so many slander quotes websites and books that I have to look them up to see what they are.
    Poster on this site are very acute when analyzing the dirty tricks of the ruling class historically. It is very important to be able to analyze those dirty tricks in real time with as much insight as one would apply to the past.
    What kinds of stupid things might some say about you because you incisively analyze the powers that be?
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    He can't be taken seriously any more................WaPo

    Lyndon H. LaRouche Jr. has died at 96. He was an eight-time presidential candidate known for his extremist claims.
    Often described as an extremist and fringe figure, Lyndon H. LaRouche Jr. cut a shadowy and alarming path through American politics for a half-century. He built a political organization often likened to a cult and repeatedly ran for president, once while in prison for mail fraud. In recent decades, he operated from a heavily guarded compound near Leesburg, Va.
    LaRouche drew headlines for his outrageous claims and built a following based on conspiracy theories, economic doom, anti-Semitism, homophobia and racism.
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    When I saw this thread being updated, I guessed it must have been because he had died.
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