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    Well I'd soft-pedal the 'communal and social resources and values' CF if I were you with regard to Ireland because it is a socially conservative backwater obsessed with property from the peasant right to the rentier class and our 'social values' were in the pocket of the paedophile cult for long enough.

    Britain has never had a Republic except briefly but they have to their credit taken the head off a monarch when they got angry with rentier injustice and came fairly close to taking the heads of one or two others from time to time.

    The only time we've had an equally applied rule of law was over a thousand years ago when petty kings could tumble as hard as anyone if they abused the people and that was in a hierarchical system which allowed social movement drastically up or down the scale but was always tied to property- whether land or cattle.

    To pretend that we shared social values in any time in recorded memory would be as false as the notion of the current Republic.

    'Labour' was always only an adoption from abroad like a flake stuck as an afterthought in a political ice-cream and Labour leadership is part of the rentier class like FF and FG. Same as the Greens and the PD leadership. There was never any danger of a republic breaking out beyond expressionism in the arts and a Tir Na N'og modern children's story for schoolrooms.
    Think National. Act Local. Oh- and superstition is just the dark matter of human history.

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    Not so, Kev. Nessa knows she was unlikely to keep her seat next year if she had any connection to Labour.

    The loyal Labour backbenchers have 2-3 years left before their hour of reckoning comes.

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    Labour isn't a socialist party any more as their policies now defined them as right wing party like the PD's. Gimme-more had destroyed two political parties in his wake (DL, WP) and he is in the process of doing a 3rd political party. He's not a true Lab per se, more like of a hybrid one. Grass roots of Lab party can't get rid of him which is a laughing stock really. What's the point of voting Labour in the coming elections such as European/Local as their leopard spots hasn't changed if anything at all

    Alarm bells has rung re Austerity policies and their connection to neo -liberalism as ex-IMF guy had said that Austerity policies doesn't work at all ever. That said, it only has made it a lot worse - unemployment soaring, debts tripled and magnified, domestic demand huge slump due to successive insertion of various stealth taxes such as water tax, property tax, USC, so forth with incomes reduced by 25% or more.

    It has illustrated a true picture of a 'stagnant recession economy' that we are now saddled with very little sight of recovery in the next decade. Labour are backing their 'austerity' policies to a full hilt, which they deserved to be despised, destroyed and demolished like the Green party previously.

    Most of the Lab ministers are riding to the sunset of their lives with their gold plated pensions intact (whose pensions didn't suffer re brunt of various cuts applied). These ministers have no intention of standing in the next elections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richardbouvet View Post
    Not so, Kev. Nessa knows she was unlikely to keep her seat next year if she had any connection to Labour.

    The loyal Labour backbenchers have 2-3 years left before their hour of reckoning comes.
    Sure. But there is nothing at all certain about the indie route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Con O'Sullivan View Post
    Well I'd soft-pedal the 'communal and social resources and values' CF if I were you with regard to Ireland because it is a socially conservative backwater obsessed with property from the peasant right to the rentier class and our 'social values' were in the pocket of the paedophile cult for long enough.
    Well, Captain, I am not saying it was ever a socialist paradise here, but there was an assumption that people would get a water supply and emergency medical care and a house, if they needed one. 7% of the country (forest) was owned by the public, there was Gas, ESB and telecoms run by the state, as well as bus and rail transport.
    Many other responsibilities were outsourced to the cult, it is true.

    Now we are going to get "free GP care" if we pay an annual fee in advance, and (outsourced) health services will be provided only if we pay a compulsory insurance fee. Everything that stands still long enough will be sold off to cronies and international asset strippers. There is a melt down process going on, because, as DS pointed out, austerity has never "worked" even in IMF terms.

    It is a problem that people have again been sold the "we must all tighten out belts for the common good" - but the reality is that it is good for no one apart from people specialising in fire sales and those with the cash to buy in them.

    Britain has never had a Republic except briefly but they have to their credit taken the head off a monarch when they got angry with rentier injustice and came fairly close to taking the heads of one or two others from time to time.
    Britain's revolution brought in capitalism: a progressive thing in its time, but that was about four hundred years ago.

    The only time we've had an equally applied rule of law was over a thousand years ago when petty kings could tumble as hard as anyone if they abused the people and that was in a hierarchical system which allowed social movement drastically up or down the scale but was always tied to property- whether land or cattle.

    To pretend that we shared social values in any time in recorded memory would be as false as the notion of the current Republic.
    Communal values were never shared by the wealthy, but they were obliged to make concessions to them.

    'Labour' was always only an adoption from abroad like a flake stuck as an afterthought in a political ice-cream and Labour leadership is part of the rentier class like FF and FG. Same as the Greens and the PD leadership. There was never any danger of a republic breaking out beyond expressionism in the arts and a Tir Na N'og modern children's story for schoolrooms.
    Connolly was a genuine expression of the Irish working class. Fine Gael and Fianna Fail have done their best to keep that dangerous beast either in the hands of non-union US corporates, dispersed across a multitude of granted aided IDA sites across rural Ireland, or an emigration ships.

    There is also a persistent strain of revolutionary republicanism that refuses to go away, in spite of the apparently unconducive conditions, and that has yet to come into its own.
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
    — Jean-Paul Sartre

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    That revolutionary republicanism you speak of was most effective when it was collected around nationalism. And Connolly was a Scot and not Irish.

    He's a hero of mine but he recognised the usefulness of a collective feeling for a country or separate society. Socialism now refuses to get into that so ghettoises itself into an academic internationalism of the proletariat which simply does not exist.

    The international 'class' discussion is around tax evasion and corporations and while it is possible to motivate people to strike for a better nation or society close around them no working and middle class anywhere are going to strike out for the freedom of a working class or middle class somewhere else.

    Connolly might have theorised about the international proletariat in the era of the assembly lines, the steel works and the shipping yard but he was practical when it came to revolutionary republicanism around the national symbol. Which is why his message was much more powerful than international academic theorising.
    Think National. Act Local. Oh- and superstition is just the dark matter of human history.

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    I wish Nessa Childers all the best in going the independent route. It will be very difficut with such a large constituency as a European one to canvass, without any party support or financial assistance. I hope she has a strong group of supporters. I wish her well and it has been great to have an independent critique of Labour here on PW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Con O'Sullivan View Post
    That revolutionary republicanism you speak of was most effective when it was collected around nationalism. And Connolly was a Scot and not Irish.

    He's a hero of mine but he recognised the usefulness of a collective feeling for a country or separate society. Socialism now refuses to get into that so ghettoises itself into an academic internationalism of the proletariat which simply does not exist.

    The international 'class' discussion is around tax evasion and corporations and while it is possible to motivate people to strike for a better nation or society close around them no working and middle class anywhere are going to strike out for the freedom of a working class or middle class somewhere else.

    Connolly might have theorised about the international proletariat in the era of the assembly lines, the steel works and the shipping yard but he was practical when it came to revolutionary republicanism around the national symbol. Which is why his message was much more powerful than international academic theorising.
    Connolly was an internationalist, but also a materialist, who knew that in Ireland national liberation was important. And the way Irish took on British colonialism inspired millions across the British Empire.
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Connolly was an internationalist, but also a materialist, who knew that in Ireland national liberation was important. And the way Irish took on British colonialism inspired millions across the British Empire.
    ,,and a feminist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectabilis View Post
    ,,and a feminist.


    And a cyclist.
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Not at all. The fair-weather people have held on to "Government," and have shafted the people who voted for them.

    I think that Nessa Childers may well have considered that in Labour, she had no political future, but she has consistently taken the hard road in opposing neo liberalism and exposing Cardiff's appointment - and speaking out publicly when bullied. There are still some people who have an awareness of what it took to break free, even to some extent, from the British, and have some better idea for the country than trying to reproduce a little Britain of social division, petty elitism, and of destruction of communal and social resources and values.
    Well said. Congratulations and thanks to Nessa Childers. This is not a self-interested act. It took a lot of courage, though perhaps a little too long to find that courage.

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    Nessa Childers will achieve absolutely nothing as an independent MEP.

    If Labour defectors do not start a new party then they really are doing nothing but nursing their own constituencies.

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    I don't think the public have much patience with flip floppers. I think her political career is irreparably damaged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaggedTrousers View Post
    I don't think the public have much patience with flip floppers. I think her political career is irreparably damaged.
    The Labour Party itself is irreparebly damaged. Attacking people won't work any more. There are too many now

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