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    CBS News has reported that Nelson Mandela's condition is a lot more serious than has been admitted by his family, the ANC and the Government. It reports that Mandela

    * went into cardiac arrest that night and had to be resuscitated
    * has limited kidney functions (50%)
    * has been unresponsive for days, and has not opened his eyes when his family visit him.

    It also states that

    * contrary to reports that the breakdown of the ambulance did not endanger his health, experts told it that being left in a broken ambulance in the middle of winter on the side of the road for 40 minutes until a new ambulance arrived could have affected his health
    * The Mandela family are debating how much more treatment a clearly very ill, very frail man should be subjected to.

    It said that the information it has received is completely at odds with what is being told to the public in South Africa by the Mandela family, the ANC and the Government.

    Perhaps the most worrying fact is his unresponsiveness. While the reports do not suggest he is in a coma or worse, it certainly implies he is either opting not to respond or is simply too weak to respond.

    If the CBS report is correct (and it is a credible station) then it seems that Nelson Mandela's life is very much in its final stages, with reporting that he is improving and may soon be discharged very wide of the mark. The implication seems to be that if he is discharged it won't be because he has recovered sufficiently, but simply that his family will have decided to end constant interventions to keep him alive and instead may have decided to allow him die naturally at home with dignity.

    A sad report about an extraordinary man who seems to be in the final months, maybe weeks or even days, of his life.



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    This is hardly surprising. Mandela´s health has been deteriorating for some time. He is 94 and is mortal like us all. When he does go, the loss to South Africa will be genuinely shared by the rest of the world. And the loss to South Africa will be immense. It is very difficult to think of anyone else who is as universally admired as Mandela.

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    The conflicting reports on Mr Mandela’s health are answered by a Minister this way:
    “However, [Mac] Maharaj said the presidency has been the "source for authoritative reporting on Mandela's health".”

    http://mg.co.za/article/2013-06-22-r...-visit-mandela
    However, people have felt in recent months that President Zuma has been showcasing his visits to Mandela . The photograph in this article of an unresponsive Mandela is frankly upsetting and an exploitation of his reputation by a presidency that will never compare.
    http://www.zimeye.org/?p=79883

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    The African National Council gets credibility from Nelson Mandela as as long as he is kept alive, criticism of his party's corruption and ineptitude can be kept under wraps. Once he goes, the Bantu government is on its own. Then watch out!

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    The Obama's will be in South Africa later this week. Wonder if any visit to Mandela, (not sure if it is on the schedule), will be public or private.
    As a general rule the most successful man in life is the man who has the best information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    The Obama's will be in South Africa later this week. Wonder if any visit to Mandela, (not sure if it is on the schedule), will be public or private.
    Hopefully, for a man who by all accounts is rapidly reaching the end of his life, his family will put an end to all visits, particularly politically superficial ones, and withdraw him into the strictly private sphere of the family alone so that he can pass away with the dignity he deserves.

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    Doubt the Obama's will be visiting.
    Nelson Mandela now in 'critical' condition

    As a general rule the most successful man in life is the man who has the best information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Doubt the Obama's will be visiting.
    Nelson Mandela now in 'critical' condition
    I sincerely hope not. I imagine they know the meaning of propriety
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/propriety

    pro·pri·e·ty
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    noun, plural pro·pri·e·ties.
    1.
    conformity to established standards of good or proper behavior or manners.
    2.
    appropriateness to the purpose or circumstances; suitability.
    3.
    rightness or justness.
    4.
    the proprieties, the conventional standards of proper behavior; manners: to observe the proprieties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectabilis View Post
    I sincerely hope not. I imagine they know the meaning of propriety
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/propriety

    pro·pri·e·ty
    /prəˈpraɪ[IMG]file:///C:/Users/DMCCAR~1/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image002.png[/IMG]ɪ[IMG]file:///C:/Users/DMCCAR~1/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image002.png[/IMG]ti/ Show Spelled [pruh-prahy-i-tee] Show IPA
    noun, plural pro·pri·e·ties.
    1.
    conformity to established standards of good or proper behavior or manners.
    2.
    appropriateness to the purpose or circumstances; suitability.
    3.
    rightness or justness.
    4.
    the proprieties, the conventional standards of proper behavior; manners: to observe the proprieties.
    The trip has obviously been in the planning for some time, but I don't think you need worry. This piece is dated Friday, before the most recent reports emerged.

    Obama Heads to Senegal, South Africa and Tanzania During Week-Long Trip
    Also while in South Africa, Rhodes said Obama would be "deferential to the Mandela family" when it comes to a possible meeting between the president and Nelson Mandela, the former South African president, who has recently been hospitalized.
    As a general rule the most successful man in life is the man who has the best information.

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    Default Re: Mandela 'unresponsive' in hospital - CBS suggests truth not being told about Mandela condition by family, govt

    Guess when he goes, the clock will start ticking for South Africa. Hope it doesn't become yet another problem.

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    Default Re: Mandela 'unresponsive' in hospital - CBS suggests truth not being told about Mandela condition by family, govt

    Remember this when Cameron talks about Mandela once he passes, Young Conservatives leaflet:


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    Default Re: Mandela 'unresponsive' in hospital - CBS suggests truth not being told about Mandela condition by family, govt

    I have just learned that Nelson Mandela was recipient of both the US Presidential Medal of Freedom and the USSR's Order of Lenin. Remarkable.

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