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    Latest in relation to North Belfast/Ardoyne....

    Quote. "The community of Twaddell and Woodvale has appealed to the local lodges involved in parading along the Crumlin Road on the Twelfth morning and evening to engage in direct talks with a local nationalist residents' group," a statement from the Orange Order read.

    "In response to this request and after numerous meetings; the three lodges concerned have agreed along with the local community to enter into direct talks with the Crumlin and Ardoyne Residents Association

    "The County Grand Orange Lodge of Belfast respects and supports their Ligoniel lodges in this decision. This initiative builds on the success of the Comprehensive Template and is further evidence that the Orange family is committed to working towards peaceful resolutions." unquote. http://www.u.tv/News/Order-agrees-to...0-23f421db5611
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    In response to the above post....[Seems there are ''two'' residents groups on the Nationalist/Republican side in greater Adoyne...

    Quote.. The latest statement from the Twaddell and Woodvale Residents Association must be viewed in short as nothing more than a cynical ploy to dictate a loyalist agenda to the residents of Greater Ardoyne. This deception will neither work nor fool our community.


    If the Loyal Orders are serious about real and meaningful talks with residents they must first speak directly to those who represent the majority of residents in the Greater Ardoyne area and not to an artificially created front group, who neither represent the opinion nor views of the majority within our community around the issue of unwelcome sectarian parades, otherwise any other avenue would be a waste of time and doomed to failure.

    Issued by: GARC (Steering Committee) unquote. http://ardoynerepublican.blogspot.co.uk/
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    Well, talks between the Orange Order and ''GARA'' [Greater Ardoyne Residents Association] not to be confused with ''GARC'' [Greater Ardoyne Residents Coalition] have ended without agreement.
    Quote.. A statement from the Crumlin Ardoyne Residents Association (CARA) on Monday morning said it was "unfortunate" the dialogue had come "so late in the day".

    Spokesman Joe Marley added: "We were unable to find a resolution with regards to the 12th of July parades this Friday and it was unfortunate that the talks came so late in the day.

    "We are calling on all relevant stakeholders to use their influence in a common effort to defuse tensions. While we were unable to secure a resolution with regards to this Friday, we remain committed and hopeful to re-engage with local lodges after the 12th of July." unquote. http://www.u.tv/News/Ardoyne-talks-o...6-b6f6e85c0c40

    Seems the talks hit a crunch issue over the return leg of the annual parade....
    Quote.. Mark Cosgrove of the UUP said talks faltered over the return march.

    "I think there's a fundamental reason why they haven't been successful this time whereby from a loyal order and unionist community perspective we are looking for a peaceful and respectful homeward parade on the Twelfth evening," Mr Cosgrove told UTV.

    "It seems as though that is not on the table from the CARA side, but it is a fundamentally reasonable thing to ask for and to walk home from a day down in Belfast."

    The Parades Commission has yet to deliver its determination on Friday's parade. unquote.

    Interesting that the Orange Order should choose to talk to one residents group but not the other.
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    I think the pending July marches are a litmus test for the G8 speculators.

    Quote.. Four business organisations have called for leadership to be shown during the marching season in Northern Ireland.

    In a statement, they said Northern Ireland must project an image to the world that encourages investment. unquote. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23240574

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trow View Post
    I think the pending July marches are a litmus test for the G8 speculators.

    Quote.. Four business organisations have called for leadership to be shown during the marching season in Northern Ireland.

    In a statement, they said Northern Ireland must project an image to the world that encourages investment. unquote. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23240574

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    Greater Ardoyne Residents Collective held a protest against the pending 12th parade by Orangemen and Loyalists today...

    Quote.. In a statement the Greater Ardoyne Residents Collective (GARC) said the failure of Orange Order representatives and the Crumlin Ardoyne Residents Association (CARA) to reach a resolution was "predictable".

    They argued the annual parade causes major disruption and inconvenience to the community in the area.

    In absence of an agreed resolution the Parades Commission is due to make a ruling on the parade.

    Further... The group has applied to the Parades Commission for a protest on Friday morning and a civil rights march on the Crumlin Road later in the afternoon.

    "GARC as representatives of the majority of Ardoyne residents again reaffirms its position opposing all unwelcome sectarian parades," a statement read.

    "This is the will of the vast majority of our residents and as a collective we represent the desire of our people to live peacefully, free from these acts of outdated triumphalist bigotry which have plagued our district for generations and is a blight on our lives as we try to build a better future for our children."

    unquote. More here... http://www.u.tv/News/Ardoyne-residen...7-379699237d1d

    Meanwhile, homes have been evacuated in the area due to a security alert. http://www.u.tv/News/Homes-evacuated...4-a86a4747dfc1
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    The parades commission has ruled that an Orange Parade can pass Ardoyne shops in the morning ''in silence'' with no drum beat and is forbidden to hold a return march in the afternoon. There's a wave of criticism about this decision flowing from the Orange and Unionist camps.

    The Parades commission further stated... Quote. The commission said that if there was "sustained and sincere dialogue", and the Orange Order respected this year's determination, it expected any future commission to "look favourably" upon the Order's application for a return parade at Ardoyne next year. unquote.

    As police chief Matt Baggot sends for reinforcements in the form of 630 G8 hardened cops from England, Scotland and Wales, there is a hark of concern from one overseas authority.. Quote.. The Scottish Police Federation said it had obvious concerns about the policing and political implications of its members being sent to oversee parades in Northern Ireland. unquote. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23250221

    In relation to the GARC [Greater Ardoyne Residents Collective] application to stage a civil rights march to counter the Orange Order parade in the area the parades commission determined.. Quote.. The Parades Commission has allowed 2,000 GARC members to protest on Friday from 2pm, under the proviso that their march finishes by 3pm and that it doesn't reach the Crumlin Road. unquote. http://www.u.tv/News/No-return-parad...7-379699237d1d

    A security alert in the area yesterday turned out to be a viable bomb which police say was an attempt to target them. Shots have also been fired. http://www.u.tv/News/Ardoyne-device-...3-26b69beaadde

    Looks to me like the parades commission is working on a strategy to keep the peace at Ardoyne shop fronts this year to create the illusion of rosey gardens. The ''carrot on a stick'' offer to the Orange Order may be viewed as buying time but will it resolve anything in the long term?

    The stage is set, be interesting to see how the day [12th July] unfolds.
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    Good news for the residents I would have thought. (if it all goes peacefully).

    I say those restrictions on the morning march will be ignored.
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    The GARC [Greater Ardoyne Residents Collective] protest march has now been called off. No comment thus far from the Orange Order in relation to the restrictions placed on their parade.
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    ANorth Belfast DUP MP [Nigel Dodds] managed to get himself expelled from the House of Commons chamber today as the fall out over the parades commission ruling continues...
    Quote... The North Belfast MP accused Northern Ireland Secretary, Theresa Villiers, of deliberate deception about the behaviour of the Parades Commission. unquote. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23260146
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    Good news for the residents I would have thought. (if it all goes peacefully).

    I say those restrictions on the morning march will be ignored.
    Yes, a peaceful day on that date will be a first in a long time. Effectively, the ruling should see a stretch of the Crumlin Road at Ardoyne shops ''out of the news'' and i've little doubt this image will be broadcast around the World as some sort of positive.

    There will still be a protest in the morning by residents as the parade passes Ardoyne shop fronts whether bands adhere to the ruling on silence or not.
    Be interesting to see how Loyalists react when stopped at Woodvale, a short distance down the road from the shop fronts.

    There had been talk in the past about countering any decision to allow the parade down past the shops to ''the field'' on the 12th by relocating the field [gathering] at Ballysillan playing fields thus creating a bigger nightmare as many more bands would flood the area in a reverse procession. Pettiness and threatening force of numbers.

    The silence from the Orange Order, post decision is deafening with the usual heckle from Loyalists saying violence and/or the threat of violence is being rewarded.
    There's huffing and puffing from Unionist quarters and it's difficult to predict reaction come the day.

    If, on the morning of the parade all bands observe the silence and proceed in a dignified manner down past the shop fronts then we can expect an equally disciplined return march to the dispersal point.
    Is it too big an ask for the Lodges and bands involved? We await comments from the North and West Belfast parades forum spokesperson Winston ''Winkie'' Irvine.

    While no news is good news, the dogs on the street predict that the Loyalists will get stuck into the cops at Woodvale.
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    There's an assembly of two opposing groups a mere 100 yards or so from eachother in North Belfast tonight. Union flags and tricolours identify the who's who. At the minute it's a white line type protest.

    Meantime, the 6 Counties assembly has been recalled..
    Quote. The recall request was made by the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP).

    The parade is due to pass a sectarian flashpoint, which has been the scene of serious riots in recent years.

    The DUP has described the decision as rewarding riotous behaviour by dissident republicans. The debate has been arranged for Tuesday 16 July.

    The party had submitted a request to the Speaker of the assembly, to schedule the special sitting "at the earliest opportunity available".

    The DUP motion for the proposed debate says: "Attempts to build a shared future have been harmed by the action of those who oppose the concept of sharing space and respecting cultural identity."

    It calls for respect for the rule of law and for "tolerance to be shown for everyone's cultural identity". unquote. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23262398

    The Orange Order has come public and asked that Loyalists/Unionists not fall for the trap that has been laid for them.

    The Greater Ardoyne Residents Collective say... Quote.. The constant pressure by GARC and the community of Ardoyne has forced the Parades Commission to capitulate from their position of facilitating unwanted outdated provocative acts of sectarian triumphalism. Unquote. http://www.u.tv/News/Stormont-recall...8-4e1c83c883d9
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    The 6 Counties Secretary of State has no power to intervene on the decision made by the parades commission unless requested to do so by the PSNI chief constable.

    Quote. Theresa Villiers said she could only intervene if she received an application to do so from Chief Constable Matt Baggott.

    She said she had not received one.

    "The only power I have to intervene and override a Parades Commission determination is if I receive an application asking me to do that from the chief constable," Ms Villiers said.

    "He has not sent me such an application and so I don't in this case have any power over the decision that has been made by the Parades Commission.

    "He (the chief constable) certainly made it clear he had no intention of sending me such an application. unquote. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23266421

    After the bashing Nigel Dodds gave her in the house of commons in England yesterday it seems she is laying out her case ahead of the Stormont assembly recall next week to debate the parades commission decision not to allow an Orange Order/UVF flute band parade back up past Ardoyne in the evening of 12th July.

    Will the Orange Order and Loyalists stand off at Woodvale until 16th July debate? Not unlike the DUP to whip up tensions in this way.
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    The Orange Order have announced today that they will stage a series of protests tomorrow against the Parades Commission ruling in relation to Ardoyne. No detail on what action that entails...

    Quote.. They say that it is "their earnest intention" the demonstrations will be peaceful, accusing the Parades Commission of creating crisis.

    In relation to Ardoyne, the organisation said the Twelfth celebrations will only be complete when all our brethren, bandsmen and supporters are home safe.

    The details were given at a media conference on Thursday morning called by the Order to mark Orangefest. unquote. http://www.u.tv/News/Order-to-protes...5-32f2758057d4
    The Orange Order has said there will be "protests in the coming days" over the Parades Commission's decision on a north Belfast parade. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23266426

    I predict a long stand off at Woodvale and widespread protests.
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    Ross Kemp is in town [Belfast] to film a documentary about the 12th....
    Quote.. Kemp will be in the Ardoyne area of north Belfast on Friday, where previous years have seen violent clashes in the wake of loyalist parades and protests by nationalist residents.

    The former EastEnders 'hard man' has already spoken to both bandsmen and protestors, as he tries to get an insight into the sectarian tensions still blighting the peace process in Northern Ireland. The new series of Extreme World will be aired on Sky 1 later this year. unquote.. http://www.u.tv/News/Ross-Kemp-filmi...a-11cf1b1f375c
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