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    Default Re: Wallace accuses Shatter of breaching the code of conduct for a minister, private Garda info used on TV?

    Quote Originally Posted by Binn Beal View Post
    It will be interesting to see the organisational route the information took from the garda to the Minister. Does the J.Edgar Shatter have informants in each Garda station?
    The Sindo has several articles re Shatter today including this one by Gene Kerrigan http://www.independent.ie/opinion/co...-29278157.html

    It is interesting that Wallace failed to immediately seize on the hand he was dealt by Shatter on TV....if Shatter does not resign then we have crossed the rubicon.
    Irish democracy is imperiled by Fine Gael being at the helm. If Kenny cant get rid of Shatter then the people need to get rid of Kenny.
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    Default Re: Wallace accuses Shatter of breaching the code of conduct for a minister, private Garda info used on TV?

    Quote Originally Posted by People Korps View Post
    The Sindo has several articles re Shatter today including this one by Gene Kerrigan http://www.independent.ie/opinion/co...-29278157.html

    It is interesting that Wallace failed to immediately seize on the hand he was dealt by Shatter on TV....if Shatter does not resign then we have crossed the rubicon.
    Iris democracy is imperiled by Fine Gael being at the helm. If Kenny cant get rid of Shatter then the people need to get rid of Kenny.
    That is what a TV ambush is like - remember Gallagher?
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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    Joan Burton trying to defend Shatter on RTE radio this morning was an absolute disgrace, the notion that she would possibly take over leadership of Labour if Eamon Gilmore left his position is a joke.

    They can't sweep this under the carpet, Shatter has made it clear for all to see that he is willing to abuse his position of power to score points against political opponents. Kerrrigan is right, this most definitely is a resigning matter for Shatter. We may as well dispense with democracy altogether if he tries to get away with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goatstoe View Post
    Joan Burton trying to defend Shatter on RTE radio this morning was an absolute disgrace, the notion that she would possibly take over leadership of Labour if Eamon Gilmore left his position is a joke.

    They can't sweep this under the carpet, Shatter has made it clear for all to see that he is willing to abuse his position of power to score points against political opponents. Kerrrigan is right, this most definitely is a resigning matter for Shatter. We may as well dispense with democracy altogether if he tries to get away with this.
    Couldn't agree more Goatstoe. This site was down briefly when Burton was on, she was told that she was changing the subject eventually. But she was obviously backing Shatter and not doing the right thing which would have been to demand resignation and and inquiry.
    It does not matter what the subject was, penalty points or anything else, the issue is ministerial abuse of power, the Gardai being used as a private investigation team for political purposes by a minister of Justice who is their effective boss.
    nthat Shatter who has supported a homeland for the Jewish people would fail to note the dangers of teh stage running a police force as a private political tool.... We want a crime fighting force not an Irish Gestapo.
    Shatter must resign.

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    Shatter ain't for quitting

    JUSTICE Minister Alan Shatter, under fire for his use of private and privileged garda information in an attempt to damage independent TD Mick Wallace, has tried to laugh off suggestions that he should resign.

    "Is that a joke?" Mr Shatter said yesterday when asked by the Sunday Independent if he should consider his position in light of the serious issues that have arisen after he admitted he had been "advised" that Mr Wallace had been spared penalty points for an alleged driving offence.
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-29278035.html
    Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other. ~Oscar Ameringer

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    Default Re: Wallace accuses Shatter of breaching the code of conduct for a minister, private Garda info used on TV?

    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    Burton, Bruton etc are spinning like mad but in the end of the day he will have to say where he got his info and if it was from official Garda sources then a crime has been committed.

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    The opposition should go for the jugular on this, they should not allow this to be buried or waived away with a few comments from Shatter in the Dail. They should be like a dog with a bone on this and not give up until Shatter is forced to resign. Any enemies Alan Shatter has in the press and other areas of public life should come out of the woodwork as well to get him removed from office. For the integrity of Irish democracy Alan Shatter must be forced to resign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goatstoe View Post
    The opposition should go for the jugular on this, they should not allow this to be buried or waived away with a few comments from Shatter in the Dail. They should be like a dog with a bone on this and not give up until Shatter is forced to resign. Any enemies Alan Shatter has in the press and other areas of public life should come out of the woodwork as well to get him removed from office. For the integrity of Irish democracy Alan Shatter must be forced to resign.
    Clare Daly was interviewed on RTE radio today, and said that it will be the biggest issue in the Daíl in the coming week. What happened to her - handcuffs and being pilloried in the Press, was serious. What did Shatter do about that ?
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    The first reaction to the politicians who tried to get Garda accountability on Points was the Clare Daly hot toddy affair - was any disciplinary action taken there ? That looked like a straight route from the Guards involved to the Press - but how can we be sure ?
    It only looked like that to those who are hostile to the gardaí. Any objective person would accept that the gardaí were just one possible source for that story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goatstoe View Post
    The opposition should go for the jugular on this, they should not allow this to be buried or waived away with a few comments from Shatter in the Dail. They should be like a dog with a bone on this and not give up until Shatter is forced to resign. Any enemies Alan Shatter has in the press and other areas of public life should come out of the woodwork as well to get him removed from office. For the integrity of Irish democracy Alan Shatter must be forced to resign.
    If Shatter should resign shouldn't the Independent TDs who named people alleged to be in the penalty points report be similarly obliged to go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    If Shatter should resign shouldn't the Independent TDs who named people alleged to be in the penalty points report be similarly obliged to go?


    Shatter is the Minister for Justice, don't be ridiculous. Willie O'Dea had to resign from his Ministerial role during the last term of government, it didn't mean he was no longer a TD. Shatter should resign, it's inappropriate behaviour for the Minister for Justice.

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    Default Re: Wallace accuses Shatter of breaching the code of conduct for a minister, private Garda info used on TV?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    If Shatter should resign shouldn't the Independent TDs who named people alleged to be in the penalty points report be similarly obliged to go?
    Wallace didn't have points removed, he was told not to do it again on the side of the road by a Garda which is pretty standard stuff for someone who's being stopped by the Garda where they just tell you to be more careful or tax the car or whatever.

    The whistleblowers were ignored by officialdom, and the points were given and removed in such a fashion as to push a Garda into risking their own career to bring it to the Govt's attention who then did everything possible to ignore it until the gang of 4 brought it out into the open.

    There is literally very little comparison between the two situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Clare Daly was interviewed on RTE radio today, and said that it will be the biggest issue in the Daíl in the coming week. What happened to her - handcuffs and being pilloried in the Press, was serious. What did Shatter do about that ?
    What did Daly do about Mary Devins and others being pilloried in the Dail under privilege?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    What did Daly do about Mary Devins and others being pilloried in the Dail under privilege?
    This whataboutery is tiresome. Stop dodging the question. Do you think Shatter should resign?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goatstoe View Post
    Shatter is the Minister for Justice, don't be ridiculous. Willie O'Dea had to resign from his Ministerial role during the last term of government, it didn't mean he was no longer a TD. Shatter should resign, it's inappropriate behaviour for the Minister for Justice.
    A minister is just a TD who is also an office holder. Why should the Independents be held to a lower standard than Shatter?

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