View Poll Results: Should Abortion be Legislated For in Ireland ?

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  • The Woman Should Choose

    43 43.88%
  • The Woman Should Choose Up to a Time Limit

    35 35.71%
  • No Abortion Law Should be Passed

    3 3.06%
  • The Bill as Proposed Should Be Passed

    5 5.10%
  • Abortion Should Not Be Allowed

    2 2.04%
  • A Team of Experts Should Decide

    1 1.02%
  • One medical practitioner should decide

    4 4.08%
  • Abortion Should be Allowed If there is No Chance of the Baby Surviving

    16 16.33%
  • A Referendum is Needed: I would vote Yes

    10 10.20%
  • A Referendum is Needed: I would vote No

    5 5.10%
  • Time Limits Should Be Considered

    10 10.20%
  • Suicide Risk Should Not Be an Eligible Reason for Abortion

    14 14.29%
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Thread: Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill 2013 and Referendum on 8th Amendment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectabilis View Post
    I am still trying to get my head around the phrase used by Dr Berry Kiely of the Pro-life Campaign - a perinatal hospice. Does she intend that women carrying terminally ill or non-viable foetuses should be held in one of these until the baby is born or still-born? Fortunately we do not have such a place in Ireland - yet.
    She misses the laundry system I guess.
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    Bishops on a hiding to nowhere appealing to the conscience of politicians. Banning TDs from attending funerals might make a few of them sit up though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    She misses the laundry system I guess.
    Indeed. Other women can be sectioned for suicidality or some men and women can get 14 years for enabling an abortion.. Lock up your daughters and wives it seems.

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    Quite easy to see how the laundries came about and survived isn't it.

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    "Whoever wishes to foresee the future must consult the past; for human events ever resemble those of preceding times. This arises from the fact that they are produced by men who ever have been, and ever shall be, animated by the same passions, and thus they necessarily have the same results."
    Machiavelli

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe View Post
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    Could that provision be applied to those who distribute information used by women who travel to England for an abortion?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...son?CMP=twt_gu
    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    The Sunday Independent ran one of their famous "stings" on that too, last year, pointing the finger at agencies giving advice and information.

    The wording is incredibly broad brush. How does it sit with the right to travel ?
    Article 40.3.3

    3° The State acknowledges the right to life of the
    unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of
    the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect, and, as
    far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate
    that right.

    This subsection shall not limit freedom to travel
    between the State and another state.

    This subsection shall not limit freedom to obtain or
    make available, in the State, subject to such conditions
    as may be laid down by law, information relating to
    services lawfully available in another state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffybiscuits View Post
    All this fudging is to please the conservative elements.

    The suicide clause is another f**king mess, some psychiatrists have refused to be on the panel should they be asked.

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    Probably your best post todate Fluffy ...... will I see you in Inchicore on Saturday?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe View Post
    Head 19:


    Could that provision be applied to those who distribute information used by women who travel to England for an abortion?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...son?CMP=twt_gu
    No.
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    The Catholic Church has thrown down a gauntlet to the State on who is in charge of our confessional republic.

    As the Iona Institute and the rest of the religious right made a complete balls of their task with their arrogance, the big guns - the bishops - have finally been brought to bear or our puny republic, with their call for the ending of the whip system in the Dail and for legislators to act in accordance with their informed (informed by the Catholic Church) conscience. They are also threatening that 'Catholic' (State) hospitals will not be subject to the law.

    If those of us who are struggling to rid our society of this evil octopus lose this battle, we may say goodbye to our hopes in the area of secular schools, gay rights, women's rights and the rest.

    It's time to email my Fine Gael TD and tell him/her that I admire his/her stance (it's called a white lie - the bishops would understand) in ensuring that this Bill is passed. I urge others to do the same.

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    Charlie is really not happy about those posters

    Abortion posters with FG TDs appear in the night. Nobody admits to putting them up. Promoters hide their faces. Just like KKK

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    The Catholic legislature will do as the Catholic bishops tell them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simonsays View Post
    No.
    What is your opinion based on?
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    I'm really alarmed at the thought of women inducing abortions on their own, up to 12 weeks and maybe later, using drugs, - particularly if bought online when they can't be sure that what the have is what it says on the label.

    From reading this, there is a risk of birth defects if the fetus is not aborted and there must also be a risk to the woman.

    http://www.womenonwaves.org/en/page/...women-on-waves

    The idea that abortions can be stopped is a non starter. Women put themselves at risk by throwing themselves downstairs and all kinds of daft and desperate measures, if they can't get a safe abortion.

    The Pro Life movement is not about preventing abortions, it is about social control and the thrill of being able to feel specially holy.
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Article 40.3.3

    3° The State acknowledges the right to life of the
    unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of
    the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect, and, as
    far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate
    that right.

    This subsection shall not limit freedom to travel
    between the State and another state.

    This subsection shall not limit freedom to obtain or
    make available, in the State, subject to such conditions
    as may be laid down by law,
    information relating to
    services lawfully available in another state.
    Hmm. It looks like the right to travel and information is 'subject to such conditions as may be laid down by law'. For instance, the Guardian article below says that 'Disseminating information on how to buy early abortion pills is illegal in the Republic'.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/03/ireland-pro-choice-campaign-risk-prison?CMP=twt_gu

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    I thought that the reference to implantation rather than the moment of conception made the morning-after-pill secure in legal terms in the proposed Bill. ?

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