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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Right back at you with post 2.

    Unfortunately, I don't have to scour the earth for examples of US "midwifery". They are constantly in our faces.
    Nothing there either. Who would take seriously the suspicions of an incompetent who has a new conspiracy to peddle almost everyday.
    CARACAS, Venezuela -- A 35-year-old filmmaker from California has been arrested by Venezuelan authorities who are accusing him of fomenting postelection violence on behalf of the U.S. government.

    President Nicolas Maduro said Thursday that he personally ordered Timothy Tracy's arrest on suspicion of "creating violence in the cities of this country." Venezuela's interior minister said Tracy was working for U.S. intelligence, paying right-wing youth groups to hold violent demonstrations in order to destabilize the country after Maduro's narrow election win last week.

    Friends and family of Tracy told The Associated Press that he had been in Venezuela since last year making a documentary about the country, which is bitterly divided politically as the socialist heirs of the late President Hugo Chavez struggle to maintain control of a country beset by economic and political turmoil
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3157142.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Nothing there either. Who would take seriously the suspicions of an incompetent who has a new conspiracy to peddle almost everyday.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3157142.html
    In other words, no reply to the substance of any post, just a heckle.

    Lols!
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    In other words, no reply to the substance of any post, just a heckle.

    Lols!
    What substance? I don't intend to spend my time debunking every far fetched conspiracy theory you and Maduro can dream up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    What substance? I don't intend to spend my time debunking every far fetched conspiracy theory you and Maduro can dream up.
    "Conspiracy theory accusation" = US playbook clichéd trolling.

    So, all those millions of dollars thrown at "NGOs" were thrown away ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    "Conspiracy theory accusation" = US playbook clichéd trolling.

    So, all those millions of dollars thrown at "NGOs" were thrown away ?
    Piffle, NGO's and their bureaucracies are well capable of whistling thru millions without ever turning a hand toward destabilization. If you have hard evidence that some NGO's have engaged in such activity then name them, instead of constantly hiding behind vague innuendo.


    On a separate note, could I interest you and Dr. Five in some very nice calendars? Give em to ya at wholesale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Piffle, NGO's and their bureaucracies are well capable of whistling thru millions without ever turning a hand toward destabilization. If you have hard evidence that some NGO's have engaged in such activity then name them, instead of constantly hiding behind vague innuendo.
    On a separate note, could I interest you and Dr. Five in some very nice calendars? Give em to ya at wholesale.
    Read the OP.

    For the "post Chavez" reference - no better time to destabilise a regime than after/during a changeover at the top. The US government is just so damn predictable.
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    http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...change-mistake

    Weisbrot - "Why US regime change support in Venezuela is a mistake."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    If you have hard evidence
    The United States

    https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/53825

    In the week leading up to Venezuela’s April 14 presidential elections, whistle-blowing website WikiLeaks published a classified cable indicating that US-based aid organisations were working to overthrow the government and defend US corporate interests in the Andean country.

    Sent from the US embassy in Caracas on November 2006, the cable details how dozens of non-government organisations (NGOs) are financially maintained by US government-funded US Agency for International Development (USAID) and the Office of Transition Initiatives (OTI). This includes “over 300 Venezuelan civil society organizations”, ranging from disability advocates to education programs.

    Many of the initiatives sound well-intentioned, such as ones supporting an environmental lobby group and a garbage collection program in Caracas.

    However, USAID/OTI support for these benign-sounding groups was part of a larger, four-pronged project.

    The ultimate aims of the embassy were described by then-US ambassador to Venezuela William Brownfield as “penetrating Chavez’s political base ... dividing Chavismo ... protecting vital US business ...[and] isolating Chavez internationally”.

    According to Brownfield, the “strategic objective” of developing opposition-aligned “civil society organizations[sic] ... represents the majority of USAID/OTI work in Venezuela”.

    However, among the dozens of groups mentioned in the document, the usual suspects of US interventionism also make appearances.

    According to the document, OTI funded a Freedom House program in Venezuela with US$1.1 million, while Development Alternatives Inc. (DAI) provided grants totalling $726,000 on behalf of OTI.

    DAI has a long history of working to undermine governments that oppose US hegemony, and this isn't the only time its operations in Venezuela have raised questions.

    In 2002, DAI worked with the National Endowment for Democracy to fund a right-wing propaganda campaign during the 2002 oil industry lockout that sought to bring down Chavez’s government.[

    At the time, the US State Department spokesperson Richard Boucher responded to allegations that government funds were being poured into Yushchenko's campaign, telling media: “Our money doesn't go to candidates. It goes to the institutions that it takes to run a free and fair election”.

    One such US-funded NGO was the International Centre for Policy Studies — of which Yushchenko was a board member.

    When Brownfield wrote the leaked cable in 2006, Freedom House had $1.1 million in USAID/OTI funding to play with in Venezuela.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    Sweet tap dancing Jesus, you really do need one of my calendars. None of what you've posted is in dispute. This thread is supposed to be about US efforts to destabilize Venezuela after Chavez, that means under Obama. If you are unable to post material to support that thesis, then littering the thread with irrelevancies serves only to diminish your credibility
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    so we have a failed coup in 2002, US embassy and how many other sources showing efforts since but now.... now, is different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    so we have a failed coup in 2002, US embassy and how many other sources showing efforts since but now.... now, is different?
    I'm not going to get trapped into attempting to prove a negative. If you have evidence to support the thesis put up.......
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    If you have evidence to support the thesis put up.......
    here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Bobulescu View Post
    Sweet tap dancing Jesus, you really do need one of my calendars. None of what you've posted is in dispute. This thread is supposed to be about US efforts to destabilize Venezuela after Chavez, that means under Obama. If you are unable to post material to support that thesis, then littering the thread with irrelevancies serves only to diminish your credibility
    Post 2.

    http://www.politicalworld.org/showth...500#post332500

    And of course, we have Kerry praising the right wing thugs on the streets.

    It is beyond debate, that the US has a game plan for regime change in Venezuela and has been pushing away at it for years.

    Whatever makes you think Obama is any different ? Raised in a USAID family as he was.
    Last edited by C. Flower; 22-02-2014 at 11:56 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Post 2.

    http://www.politicalworld.org/showth...500#post332500

    And of course, we have Kerry praising the right wing thugs on the streets.

    It is beyond debate, that the US has a game plan for regime change in Venezuela and has been pushing away at it for years.

    Whatever makes you think Obama is any different ? Raised in a USAID family as he was.
    That's the 2nd time you've referenced post # 2 without explanation. I've already said there is nothing there. First show me the link between Hallet and the US Government. Then show me the malevolent intent of both. The uncomfortable truth you are unable to stomach is that the US has attempted to mend fences with Venezuela, post Chavez, and has been rebuffed up until yesterday.

    Born in Kenya too I hear.
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