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    Venezuela had a bizarre plan to sell banned Syrian oil to the US at prices well below the price of Venezuelan oil. Never got off the ground.

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    Goldman Sachs gives a leg up to the Venezuelan Govt, and a hand to the opponents.


    The Venezuelan “Hunger Bonds” movement made limited progress in its first eight months of existence. Aimed at shaming international investors into boycotting the repressive government’s bonds, or at least raising awareness about the subject, the term was really only known among a small crowd of specialists.
    Then Goldman Sachs Group Inc. made a big investment in the debt.
    And because every protest movement needs a foil -- a role Goldman has played many times before -- the campaign has suddenly gained a surge of momentum. Demonstrators outside the bank’s New York headquarters Tuesday chanted, “No more hunger bonds, Goldman Sachs,” and the term was flying around the internet, appearing in scores of tweets and memes that featured images of malnourished Venezuelans scavenging for food.
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    Syrian Oil? So that's what it's all about now? LOL
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    Trump is reportedly considering oil sanctions against Venezuela........................ Why bother?

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    Missed this back in 2015 - Jen Pskaki smirking and journalists laughing as she says in relation to Venezuela that "the US does not support non-democratic transitions"...

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    I dont quite understand this anyhow

    http://therealnews.com/t2/story:2043...the-Economy%27

    And as usual the place with the latest news in English https://venezuelanalysis.com/

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    A rather depressing report on the economic recession in the run up to the Venezuela election on Sunday. The fall in price of oil (and over reliance on ) has led to hyper-inflation . Economic sanctions have made things worse. Nevertheless there is a good chance Maduro might win as the opposition does not inspire people (who obviously realise they are worse than any corrupt element within the governing PSUV) . The former Chavista Falcon can not be ruled out though https://therealnews.com/stories/vene...e-it-both-ways

    The interviewed expert sounds rather depressed himself and may have overstated the emigration. If there is mass emigration now then it is something that has happened since these figures which show than up to 2016 there were many more immigrants (esp from Columbia) than emigrants https://venezuelanalysis.com/ANALYSIS/13722

    Anyhow Elections special https://venezuelanalysis.com/tag/201...tial-elections

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregTimo View Post
    A rather depressing report on the economic recession in the run up to the Venezuela election on Sunday. The fall in price of oil (and over reliance on ) has led to hyper-inflation . Economic sanctions have made things worse. Nevertheless there is a good chance Maduro might win as the opposition does not inspire people (who obviously realise they are worse than any corrupt element within the governing PSUV) . The former Chavista Falcon can not be ruled out though https://therealnews.com/stories/vene...e-it-both-ways

    The interviewed expert sounds rather depressed himself and may have overstated the emigration. If there is mass emigration now then it is something that has happened since these figures which show than up to 2016 there were many more immigrants (esp from Columbia) than emigrants https://venezuelanalysis.com/ANALYSIS/13722

    Anyhow Elections special https://venezuelanalysis.com/tag/201...tial-elections
    In the last 12 months the price of oil has increased by almost 66%. $50 - $80.
    The Venezuelan border with Columbia was closed until 2016. You might learn something here.

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    The wiki is almost certainly exaggerated by factor X as it is obviously 'opposition' run . I do think it is likely emigration only took off since 2016 due the bad economic situation . The oil price increase might help PDVSA the state oil company a bit but there are major sanctions now offsetting that . And it has been going on some time . There is clearly a major attack going on at both economic and media levels to try to finish off Chavism . When they try to address the corruption within they are then attacked on spurious human rights issues
    2017-09 https://www.telesurtv.net/english/op...0920-0028.html
    https://www.state.gov/e/eb/tfs/spi/venezuela/

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    Observers have ratified a free and fair election (yet again). While the turnout was down to around 40% due in part the 'opposition' boycott, outgoing Chavista President Maduro won 68% of the votes cast . Considering the very real economic crisis, Chavism did very well to mobilise 5.8 million votes , people who do not wish a return to the days of rule by the old oligarchy in conjunction with the US, the dismantle of the as yet incomplete welfare state , etc https://www.telesurtv.net/english/ne...0520-0032.html
    https://www.telesurtv.net/english/ne...0519-0012.html

    Even if all the 35% odd extra abstainers were 'opposition' supporters and many were likely just those demoralised by the bad economic conditions, Maduro would still have would nearly 40% on the basis of the 2013 result https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezu...election,_2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregTimo View Post
    Observers have ratified a free and fair election (yet again). While the turnout was down to around 40% due in part the 'opposition' boycott, outgoing Chavista President Maduro won 68% of the votes cast . Considering the very real economic crisis, Chavism did very well to mobilise 5.8 million votes , people who do not wish a return to the days of rule by the old oligarchy in conjunction with the US, the dismantle of the as yet incomplete welfare state , etc https://www.telesurtv.net/english/ne...0520-0032.html
    https://www.telesurtv.net/english/ne...0519-0012.html

    Even if all the 35% odd extra abstainers were 'opposition' supporters and many were likely just those demoralised by the bad economic conditions, Maduro would still have would nearly 40% on the basis of the 2013 result https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezu...election,_2013
    The threats of increased US sanctions started to roll in as soon as the election result was declared. Viva la democracia !
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    We know from history (Chile 73, Brasil last year, etc) that some sort of coup is probably in the works, esp if economic destabalisation doesn't work (the argument about internal stuff can be found on Real News Network and Venezuela Analysis from time to time). Anyhow my figures werent quite right as Maduro was declared elected on incomplete returns (92%) . Complete results are to be published later I think is the gist from the Electoral body CNE

    'The president of the National Electoral Council, Tibisay Lucena Ramírez, announced the results of the presidential election and of the members of the Legislative Councils of the State, with 92.6% of the transmitted acts and irreversible tendencies. The electoral authority reported a 46.01% participation, with a 48% projection in this electoral event, for which 20 million 527 thousand 571 electors and voters registered in the electoral roll were summoned. The total of valid votes was 8 million 603 thousand 336. The candidate Nicolás Maduro obtained 5 million 823 thousand 728 votes; the candidate Henri José Falcón Fuentes, 1 million 820 thousand 552; Javier Alejandro Bertucci, 925 thousand 042; and the candidate Reinaldo José Quijada Cerdone, 34 thousand 614 votes.' http://www.cne.gob.ve/web/sala_prens...da.php?id=3715

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    Analysis by the US leftside Real News Network https://therealnews.com/stories/madu...the-us-do-next

    Adding to the pressure is Ecuador's Moreno who jumped on the neo-lib bandwagon sadly https://therealnews.com/stories/ecua...th-new-cabinet
    However Mexico may shake thing up in a different direction soon as ultra neo-liberalism has brought the country to near collapse . Too early too say though how AMLO, Corbyn's friend might work out (if he evens survives with his life in the violent chaos) . I hope this is a lot more than just one man https://therealnews.com/stories/mexi...-rampant-crime
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    I wonder is it time for the left to wash its hands of Maduro.

    As far as I know, he is not doing anything to change course in response to Venezuela's apparent economic meltdown. Even if this is the result of destabliisation, that does not absolve his government from the resposibility of doing whatever it takes to keep the economy going.

    I had hoped that the Bolivarian movement would replace Maduro with a reformist who would stabilise the economy while also resisting a restoration of the reactionary imperialist right.

    Now it seems there is no hope. Total collapse seems imminent, and with it a reactionary coup in one form or another.

    Perhaps Henri Falcon holds out some sort of hope, but again, probably too late.

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    Maduro is maybe not the most sophisticated guy on the block, but he was democratically elected twice, and it's not just about him personally. Chavez made mistakes and so on. The many attempts to deal with internal corruption have been painted as un-democratic (esp by the former 'Chavistas' rooted out), so they just cant win the western media war. Imagine Corbyn disinfo-ed against for more years to see why it is wise to withold judgement . Futhermore they still dont have an unemployment payment yet outside insurance/stamps that I've been able to research(as is the case across Latin America) and you can see just how extreme the setup of inequality in Latin America is. I see Chavism as an old style social democrat experiment with democratic socialist aspiration + bluster about marxism which is defiance against the old overlords . My fear is a Chile stlye ultra neolib set up with no pensions even is what we will end up with even in Europe if the race to the bottom continues endlessly , so some solidarity might be wise

    Anyhow why Falco did so poorly and what to expect if there's a coup or 'intervention' https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/05/s...y-or-sanctions
    Last edited by GregTimo; 23-05-2018 at 07:46 AM.

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