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    Quote Originally Posted by RahenyFG II View Post
    The culture that exists in FF where everyone gets away with everything and is not punished. We have also have differences on health and taxation. I couldn't be in a party that goes into government with a party that destroyed the state and have abused it since 1932 for their own good.
    Tee hee, you must have missed the penalty points cover up, the current cover up of the drink for guards, the blind eye turned to white collar criminality and church abusers by FG anytime they were in power. The complete lack of interest in changing the political and legal culture of impunity for insiders in the past and currently.

    The doubling of the national debt under Garret Fitzgerald's FG between 1981 and 1987, a period of time that they claim they tidied up FFs mess, economic mismanagement ( ask Leo what he thought of Garret ) which was only brought under control subsequently by FF's Mack The Knife. Leading to a period of economic reform which allowed FF to stay in power until December 1994, when the Rainbow Govt of FG/LAB/DL saw out the last 2 1/2 years ( laughingly claiming to be the fathers of the boom afterwards ) only to be thrown out again for 14 more years in 1997.

    Add to that FG's stifling conservatism, economic stagnation and the national treachery over the Dublin/Monaghan bombings of the Cosgrave years. The Tullymandering of constituencies for the 1977 election that led to FF offering the sun the moon and stars to try and win the election.

    So, no prize for cleaning up FFs messes, no prize for well anything other than not being FF, and now, tell me again what differences there are between modern FF and FG. Two parties that believe in nothing but power for the sake of getting their hands on the goodies.

    A big whoop de doo of miserable conservatism that handed FF power time and time again.

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    +1, Shaadi.

    Besides which, is it not more honest to claim to be pragmatic than to claim to be occupying the high moral ground while getting up to similar stuff. And I don't think we need to absolve Labour of all blame here while we're at it either.

    On the plus side, all Irish politicians look like the bloody Vienna Boys Choir in comparison to those on our neighbouring island. Bertie and Charlie may not have been angels, but they weren't covering up billion pound bribes to Middle Eastern governments so they'd buy military hardware, nor have they been faking evidence in order to start an oil war that has killed over 100,000 people...and we're still counting. Not are they cynically backing the massive WMD that is the City of London, against all foreign attempts to regulate and tax it.
    "Must keep those bankers in Columbian Marching Powder, risk = profit that bloody Brussels wants to separate us from"

    Read City Boy and weep. Interestingly, the Beeb interviews the author every time there's a really big Bankster scandal, and I don't think anyone's managed to sue him yet...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaadi View Post
    Tee hee, you must have missed the penalty points cover up, the current cover up of the drink for guards, the blind eye turned to white collar criminality and church abusers by FG anytime they were in power. The complete lack of interest in changing the political and legal culture of impunity for insiders in the past and currently.

    The doubling of the national debt under Garret Fitzgerald's FG between 1981 and 1987, a period of time that they claim they tidied up FFs mess, economic mismanagement ( ask Leo what he thought of Garret ) which was only brought under control subsequently by FF's Mack The Knife. Leading to a period of economic reform which allowed FF to stay in power until December 1994, when the Rainbow Govt of FG/LAB/DL saw out the last 2 1/2 years ( laughingly claiming to be the fathers of the boom afterwards ) only to be thrown out again for 14 more years in 1997.

    Add to that FG's stifling conservatism, economic stagnation and the national treachery over the Dublin/Monaghan bombings of the Cosgrave years. The Tullymandering of constituencies for the 1977 election that led to FF offering the sun the moon and stars to try and win the election.

    So, no prize for cleaning up FFs messes, no prize for well anything other than not being FF, and now, tell me again what differences there are between modern FF and FG. Two parties that believe in nothing but power for the sake of getting their hands on the goodies.

    A big whoop de doo of miserable conservatism that handed FF power time and time again.
    Not to mention the orchestrated sale of the mobile telephone license to Prince O'Brien

    I know Lowry took the blame for that one, but we would be gullible to think FG top brass did not have their hairy paws all over it, and sweaty palms outstretched
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaadi View Post
    Tee hee, you must have missed the penalty points cover up, the current cover up of the drink for guards, the blind eye turned to white collar criminality and church abusers by FG anytime they were in power. The complete lack of interest in changing the political and legal culture of impunity for insiders in the past and currently.

    The doubling of the national debt under Garret Fitzgerald's FG between 1981 and 1987, a period of time that they claim they tidied up FFs mess, economic mismanagement ( ask Leo what he thought of Garret ) which was only brought under control subsequently by FF's Mack The Knife. Leading to a period of economic reform which allowed FF to stay in power until December 1994, when the Rainbow Govt of FG/LAB/DL saw out the last 2 1/2 years ( laughingly claiming to be the fathers of the boom afterwards ) only to be thrown out again for 14 more years in 1997.

    Add to that FG's stifling conservatism, economic stagnation and the national treachery over the Dublin/Monaghan bombings of the Cosgrave years. The Tullymandering of constituencies for the 1977 election that led to FF offering the sun the moon and stars to try and win the election.

    So, no prize for cleaning up FFs messes, no prize for well anything other than not being FF, and now, tell me again what differences there are between modern FF and FG. Two parties that believe in nothing but power for the sake of getting their hands on the goodies.

    A big whoop de doo of miserable conservatism that handed FF power time and time again.
    Not to mention the orchestrated sale of the mobile telephone license to Prince O'Brien

    I know Lowry took the blame for that one, but we would be gullible to think FG top brass did not have their hairy paws all over it, and sweaty palms outstretched
    Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other. ~Oscar Ameringer

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    Interesting comparison there Morticia to the crooks across the water. I think the problem is though that Bertie and co. were of that ilk that given such power and control over resources, they would have done/be doing the same as the Brits.

    I think to be honest, Ireland has a very lofty concept of morals (defo a chunk of society anyway), and as such this is what fed and feeds the outrage at such crookery, indeed this may be the one good thing the Catholic church left in its wake...

    Back on topic, Very shrewd of O'Rourke to bring this up now. Well before an election and giving both parties plenty of time to iron out the ''differences''. She realises that the writing is on the wall for the 2.5 party system and that there are, nor ever have really been any differences between the two big establisment parties. From a different angle, she is an establisment woman and she is acting publically in order to maintain that establishment that has nurtured her and her family for a long time. She is maneuovering to maintain the establishment's grip on power through the storm that is coming, and no better way at doing that than merging the 2 big parties before one's support starts to fade, like in Greece, Spain etc.

    On the other hand, by playing realpolitik, her and the establishment have taken a gamble. They have dropped the veil of difference between the two major parties and thus have publically admitted to a differnt party eventually being in a position to become the major party...Thats SF btw. By admitting this it now becomes almost an inevitability. Ppl will look and say, if theyre the same then ill not vote for that shower but for something new and different.

    It wil be interesting to see how this plays out and where even the pseudo democracy of elections every 5 years remain after the establisment fulfull every request from their foreign masters...

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    With the bould Billo delivering the oration this year at Beal na mBlath, can we look forward to Giles/Dunphy at the mike next year?
    or maybe Enda/Micheal Martin double act!

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    Someone, unfortunately not me, said the reason we have two parties representing the financial elite, is that one of them will always be in government.
    Who's turn is it next?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    Hasn't Bill been rewarded for his FG support with a cushy job on some board? Something to do with films?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    Not to mention the orchestrated sale of the mobile telephone license to Prince O'Brien

    I know Lowry took the blame for that one, but we would be gullible to think FG top brass did not have their hairy paws all over it, and sweaty palms outstretched

    IMO Lowry was in the right place. right time, Dinnt would just have easily done the same deal with FF, the end justifies the means and nothing was getting in the way of his destiny.

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    Well according to an article in the Irish Times on Saturday, FF and FG won't be going into government together as FG are a centre right while FF is a centre-of-left party now according to FF finance spokesman Michael McGrath.

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    ahem

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