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    Default Re: Why has there never been a strong left wing cause in Ireland?

    Once again, revolution thwarted by the reactionary leadership, which somehow this mass movement capable of effecting serious change is held back by.

    Or, certain people have far too optimistic a view of revolutionary consciousness.

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    Default Re: Why has there never been a strong left wing cause in Ireland?

    If the left means the Labour Party, they have no one to blame but themselves and their own lack of ambition. That was true in 1922, in 1948 and still true today in my opinion.

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    Default Re: Why has there never been a strong left wing cause in Ireland?

    Quote Originally Posted by RahenyFG II View Post
    Ireland is unique in Europe and the World for not having a left-right political divide.
    Actually that statement is inaccurate. The idea that the standard political cleavage in politics is left-right is constantly repeated but actually quite inaccurate. Lipset and Rokkan identified four basic cleavages: Center – Periphery, State – Church, Owner – Worker, Land – Industry. Others have suggested more complex cleavages including ethnicity, gender, working poor as distinct from unemployed poor, education and uneducated, etc.

    The idea that politics revolves around a left-right cleavages is a rather cartoonish idea that left and right are the primary divisions. In Britain, for example, it isn't just left-right but much more complex. Labour replaced the Liberals as one of the big two when the Non-Conformist religious move moved from the Liberals to Labour when the Liberals were engulfed in an internal civil war. The Conservatives traditionally were very much the party of the religious establishment in the Church of England. In Germany, the CDU came from a series of Catholic and Protestant parties and was very much seen as the 'religious' party, with that still reflected in its stances on social issues.
    "Men never commit evil so fully and joyfully as when they do it for religious convictions." Blaise Pascal.

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    Default Re: Why has there never been a strong left wing cause in Ireland?

    just as well have so many non-ideological parties eh Simon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simonsays View Post
    Actually that statement is inaccurate. The idea that the standard political cleavage in politics is left-right is constantly repeated but actually quite inaccurate. Lipset and Rokkan identified four basic cleavages: Center – Periphery, State – Church, Owner – Worker, Land – Industry. Others have suggested more complex cleavages including ethnicity, gender, working poor as distinct from unemployed poor, education and uneducated, etc.

    The idea that politics revolves around a left-right cleavages is a rather cartoonish idea that left and right are the primary divisions. In Britain, for example, it isn't just left-right but much more complex. Labour replaced the Liberals as one of the big two when the Non-Conformist religious move moved from the Liberals to Labour when the Liberals were engulfed in an internal civil war. The Conservatives traditionally were very much the party of the religious establishment in the Church of England. In Germany, the CDU came from a series of Catholic and Protestant parties and was very much seen as the 'religious' party, with that still reflected in its stances on social issues.
    In most countries it's fairly easy to line up the left and the right on opposite sides of all those issues though. Remember the term 'left wing' dates back further than socialist parties to the politics that emerged out of the French revolution.

    Generally speaking all over Europe, 'left' = secular, less centralist, pro-labour, urban oriented and 'right' = more religious, centralist/nationalist, often rural oriented.

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    The Establishment seem worried

    Taoiseach Enda Kenny warned Fianna Fail leader Micheal Martin about the rise of hard-left agitators within public sector unions during a secret meeting on the future of the Lansdowne Road Agreement, the Sunday Independent can reveal.

    Kenny invited Martin to Government Buildings last week to privately discuss growing industrial unrest in the public sector in the wake of the Labour Court's decision to recommend a €50m pay deal for gardai.

    Meanwhile, at the meeting in Government Buildings, it is understood the Taoiseach also told the Fianna Fail leader he had been taken aback by the Labour Court recommendation because it was far in excess of what the Government had proposed.




    "There has been a rise in the politics of street protests in Ireland and there has been a rise in small political parties and movements that spend most of their weeks thinking about when they are going to organise the next protest," Coveney said.

    During a speech to members in Cork yesterday, Labour Party leader Brendan Howlin said he was concerned about the increasing number of populist parties in Europe seeking to "capitalise on disaffection".

    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/s...-35229797.html
    Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other. ~Oscar Ameringer

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    Touchy !

    Reds under Enda's bed - who'd a thought it ?
    “ We cannot withdraw our cards from the game. Were we as silent and mute as stones, our very passivity would be an act. ”
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