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    The euphoria of the apology is over and now people are looking carefully at the small print. it is important that the survivors of the Magdalene camps get full redress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernadette View Post
    The euphoria of the apology is over and now people are looking carefully at the small print. it is important that the survivors of the Magdalene camps get full redress.
    If you don't mind, I will split these two posts and start a new thread for this new phase.
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    Registration of interest site - for people to sign up that they were in the laundries and want redress

    http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/MagdelenFundForm

    Enda Kenny's full speech and audio via The Journal.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/video-enda-...01539-Feb2013/

    Justice for Magdalenes - Campaign and Research Group - site includes submission to McAleese - hundreds of testimonies.

    http://www.magdalenelaundries.com/

    McAleese Report

    http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/MagdalenRpt2013
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    Public Enquiry blog - why this process should be a solicitor-free zone

    https://mail.google.com/mail/?tab=wm...cf90dfdad8df85

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    I hope lawyers won't be necessary but I will won't be surprised if they're all over it in days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernadette View Post
    I hope lawyers won't be necessary but I will won't be surprised if they're all over it in days.
    See them on twitter talking about how even a solicitor-free process needs solicitors.
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    Has to be asked: Where were the solicitors between 1922 up to 1996 on this whole issue - particularly the Magdalene Asylums coexisting with the Irish Constitution from 1937?

    Two years after the 'soft landing' of the economy a group of solicitors organised themselves into a group to solve the problem of over indebtedness in our society and to provide legal representation to people facing repossession of their family homes.
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    The Tánaiste's speech here, which says a little more about the redress and compensation process.

    http://www.merrionstreet.ie/index.php/2013/02/tanaistes-statement-on-the-magdalene-laundries-report/?cat=11

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    Terms of reference to Judge Quirke

    Mr Justice Quirke will, taking into account the findings of the “Report of the Inter-Departmental Committee to establish the facts of State involvement with the Magdalene Laundries”, be asked to do the following:

    (i) to advise on the establishment of an ex gratia Scheme (to operate on a non-adverserial basis) including identifying the criteria and factors to be taken into account to facilitate the early establishment and effective conduct of an ex gratia Scheme for the benefit of those women who were admitted to and worked in a Magdalene Laundry and in the Laundry operated in the Training Centre at Stanhope Street, Dublin, taking into account criteria determined to be relevant, including work undertaken and other matters as considered appropriate, to contribute to a healing and reconciliation process;

    (ii) to examine how best to operate (as part of that Scheme) an ex gratia Fund, of a sum sufficient to meet the recommendations of Mr Justice Quirke, the nature and amount of ex gratia payments to be made out of the Fund and on the determination of applications for payment in an effective and timely manner that ensures the monies in the Fund are directed only to the benefit of eligible applicants and not on legal fees and expenses.

    (iii) to examine how the Government might best provide supports (including health services such as medical cards, mental health services and counselling services and other welfare needs) as part of the Scheme for women who require such supports as a result of their experiences in the Laundries.

    (iv) to consider the approach to be taken in circumstances in which a payment has already been made by the Redress Board by way of redress to a former resident of an industrial school, where such payment included a sum specifically due to the direct transfer of that person from an industrial school to a relevant Laundry and their time or part of their time spent in a Laundry or Laundries.

    (v) to examine the effect, if any, of the making of an ex gratia payment to a person who is resident in the UK and how best the making of any such payment should be structured so as not to adversely affect their existing entitlements to benefits and supports.

    (vi) to advise as to what steps or measures are appropriate to ensure that ex gratia payments or supports or assistance provided are dis-regarded for the purposes of determining entitlement of Social Welfare payments and/or income tax liability.

    (vii) to report back to Government within three months with recommendations.
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    Alan Shatter's statement on what the Government propose to do.

    https://www.finegael.ie/latest-news/...dale/index.xml


    This is the group that will be given €250,000 straight away. It may be an excellent group, but the information on the website is very basic. Women from the laundries are living all over Britain and it is hard to see how a small group in Camden is going to provide services for them. Perhaps a dedicated phone line and information person?


    http://www.irishsurvivorsuk.org.uk/

    The Irish Times led today with a report suggesting that women already made awards in relation to time at Industrial Schools will not be eligible. This is so farcical as to beggar belief, and I am hoping it will be knocked flat and forgotten about.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...330312824.html

    And of course Justice for Magdalene's Face Book page -

    Ask if you would like to join.

    http://www.facebook.com/groups/justi..._comment_reply
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    Good interview with Claire McGettrick - she says the Government is scared that the "floodgates will open" of adoptive children and people in mental institutions deprived of rights and abused.

    http://www.dw.de/magdalene-laundries...ure/a-16586783
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    Gerry Adams on the Redress Scheme

    Answers needed on Magdalene redress scheme – Adams

    February 20, 2013

    Sinn Féin President and Louth TD Gerry Adams this morning questioned the Taoiseach about the redress scheme and the three month review that is being undertaken by Justice John Quirke following the state’s apology to the women survivors.

    The Sinn Féin leader specifically asked the Taoiseach about the inclusion of Summerhill in Wexford and the survivors of the Bethany Home in Dublin.

    Teachta Adams welcomed the Taoiseach’s commitment that the government will consider including Summerhill in the redress scheme and that the Minister for Justice is currently examining the case for the victims of Bethany Home.

    Teachta Adams said:

    “Yesterday the women of the Magdalene laundries heard the words of apology they needed to hear. However it is now crucial that the women are properly compensated for what was done to them.

    “This needs to be done in a prompt, fair, open and transparent manner. These are women who had already had their rights trampled upon.

    “The publication of the terms of reference for Mr Justice Quirke’s review pose questions that the government must answer.

    “For example, the ex gratia scheme is essentially a payment without admission of liability. This is clearly at odds with the sentiment of the Taoiseach’s remarks last night and the McAleese report both of which accept that the State is liable for what happened to these women.

    “The government also needs to clarify whether Mr Justice Quirke will be given statutory powers. Will there be an independent appeal mechanism for the women? And while nobody wants runaway legal fees some consideration should be given to allow some form of legal representation for those women who feel they need it.

    “The government needs to make it clear that those already compensated for their ill treatment in industrial schools will not be excluded under this scheme if they were in a Magdalene Laundry. Nobody should be excluded because they were also abused in those institutions.

    “The McAleese report also refers to persons resident in the UK but no mention is made of Magdalene women living in the USA or elsewhere in the world.

    “And finally there is the issue of a contribution from the religious congregations who ran the Magdalene laundries.

    “All of these questions require clarification by government so that the Magdalene survivors have a complete understanding of the approach being taken by the government and their rights in this new situation.”

    ENDS


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    Issue of records about who was in the Magdalene Laundries

    http://www.magdalenelaundries.com/name.htm
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    Very good article in today's Independent by Eilis O'Hanlon on the strange disrepancy between the McAleese Report and the wider evidence that women were physically abused on the laundries.

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/an...-29090604.html
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    Update advice from Justice for Magdalenes.

    Mari Tatlow Steed

    UPDATED - IMPORTANT: We've done further legal consultation on the Justice Dept. submission of interest form. And the counsel currently being given is to complete the form now, so as not to be excluded from any potential compensation. But if you decide to go ahead and complete the form, we suggest you read the following advice we've put together to be mailed to the survivors we're in touch with:

    We strongly advise you to seek legal advice from your solicitor, or at the very least, approach your local Free Legal Aid Centre, Citizen’s Information Centre or Family Resource Centre for help in filling out this form.

    Important: if you went to the Residential Institutions Redress Board and received a payment and if you were not allowed to speak about your time in the laundries, we strongly advise you to insert the following paragraph into the application form at this section:

    "Please note, though I went through the Residential Institutions Redress Board and received a payment, my time in the Magdalene Laundry was not taken into account. I was not allowed to speak about my experience in the laundry at all."

    Also, if you cannot now remember exactly the number of years you were in the laundry in question, you should say “as far as I can remember” in brackets in the relevant box.

    Please also note that this is just the first part of the process and at the moment we do not know what the next steps are, but as soon as we do we will let you know.
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