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    Well I know I can be demoralising to those attached to the principles of socialism but I should be specific and say that much of the motivation for hope around socialism is noble enough in aspiration to my way of thinking. I admire people who are motivated by the desire for a more equitable society and agree with them. I mean no disrespect to people who hope for that from socialism.

    I just don't think that socialism as envisaged by the revolutionary left in Ireland will ever fit into the mainstream of Irish life. I think there is a sensible half way house- instead of centralised planning and the philosophy of the collective to the point of repression of individualism I think there is something to be said for localism and the co-op movement for example.

    To sound a more optimistic note I would be an advocate of 'buying co-ops' where people in a street or area do collective bargaining around simple things like the weekly shop. Useful stuff in times of austerity and something that contributes to social cohesion and lends people with not much by themselves more power to negotiate because they are part of a negotiating group.

    Co-ops should not be just about lending. They are a model for public services and infrastructure as well. If we could be a bit more imaginative in how we used the principles behind the co-op I would call that practical socialism- kitchen socialism if you like but I would not be inclined to go labelling it that as it would frighten people off who are suspicious of such labels.

    My frustration with socialist academics in Ireland is built around this notion they have that they must inspire the proletariat with philosophy. Inspire them instead by being the driving force behind a good idea that saves those with not much some money. Instead of debating Bakunin negotiate a discount for a Purchasing Co-op at a bakery. Call it a Shopping Club but show people the advantage of collective empowerment where they live and let them measure it themselves in their purses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Con O'Sullivan View Post
    Well I know I can be demoralising to those attached to the principles of socialism but I should be specific and say that much of the motivation for hope around socialism is noble enough in aspiration to my way of thinking. I admire people who are motivated by the desire for a more equitable society and agree with them. I mean no disrespect to people who hope for that from socialism.

    I just don't think that socialism as envisaged by the revolutionary left in Ireland will ever fit into the mainstream of Irish life. I think there is a sensible half way house- instead of centralised planning and the philosophy of the collective to the point of repression of individualism I think there is something to be said for localism and the co-op movement for example.

    To sound a more optimistic note I would be an advocate of 'buying co-ops' where people in a street or area do collective bargaining around simple things like the weekly shop. Useful stuff in times of austerity and something that contributes to social cohesion and lends people with not much by themselves more power to negotiate because they are part of a negotiating group.

    Co-ops should not be just about lending. They are a model for public services and infrastructure as well. If we could be a bit more imaginative in how we used the principles behind the co-op I would call that practical socialism- kitchen socialism if you like but I would not be inclined to go labelling it that as it would frighten people off who are suspicious of such labels.

    My frustration with socialist academics in Ireland is built around this notion they have that they must inspire the proletariat with philosophy. Inspire them instead by being the driving force behind a good idea that saves those with not much some money. Instead of debating Bakunin negotiate a discount for a Purchasing Co-op at a bakery. Call it a Shopping Club but show people the advantage of collective empowerment where they live and let them measure it themselves in their purses.
    The socialism as manifested by the revolutionary left in Ireland has really come down to a case of semantics . When they say that they will empower the people and over throw a bourgoise elite (*cringe*) they are usually talking amongst themselves but when speaking to others who might not be familiar with the concept its translated into terms that they understand. Eg empowering the workers through unions to fight for better rights, arming the carers and disabled to fight against cuts. These are not in themsleves revoluitionary but are all part of building a stronger left with revolutionary tendencies who can see that people power wins out at the end of the day.

    Im with you all the way on the idea of co-ops, Argentinan workers have made great uses of these and have made great inroads. In the aftermath of the collapse of the Argentinan economy a lot of workers too over the running of their businesses. Great documentary made called The Take about the whole thing...
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    Ta Fluffy- I'll look up The Take. I actually began to wonder back in the 80's looking at the hapless chaos of the Irish left which seemed to fall into a history pothole fascinated with factory gates non-existent in Ireland whether the sociologist from Irish universities were some kind of paid fifth columnists on a mission to keep socialism entirely theoretical in Ireland.

    I definitely began to get why Pol Pot had anyone wearing glasses marched into the countryside and shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Con O'Sullivan View Post
    Ta Fluffy- I'll look up The Take. I actually began to wonder back in the 80's looking at the hapless chaos of the Irish left which seemed to fall into a history pothole fascinated with factory gates non-existent in Ireland whether the sociologist from Irish universities were some kind of paid fifth columnists on a mission to keep socialism entirely theoretical in Ireland.

    I definitely began to get why Pol Pot had anyone wearing glasses marched into the countryside and shot.
    I know one in mind but he tends to give people the impetus, more theoretical talk but certainly gives good explanation.
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24911566

    More protests and this time outside parliament. The pigs beat protestors black and blue as they tried to block parliament. They are protesting at unemployment and poverty...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffybiscuits View Post
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24911566

    More protests and this time outside parliament. The pigs beat protestors black and blue as they tried to block parliament. They are protesting at unemployment and poverty...
    Was watching this on the news yesterday evening. Very determined young people and the usual heavily armoured riot police.
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