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    Man's mind is irrational at times and while we are rational in how respond to fear the response to the fear of alienation was the irrational with the manifestation in the mind of man of religion. You are stung by a wasp and what do you do? You swat it with a paper or you avoid it for a few minutes, you do not come after the wasp with a flame thrower and seek to smash the hive and set it on fire. Religion is a lot like that, our fears of alienation played on our minds and the response was to invent religion - the flame thrower on the wasp hive. That is not to say the religion does not have a role to play in society, it can act as a glue to bind those whom are being oppressed. Bedouins being a nomadic people were those often living in the desert and were often people of a modest disposition in contrast to towns people whom would trade and live off the profits they made from trading. Under a prophet the Bedouins were united in their fight against oppression and as such there becomes a vicious cycle with a correlation between religion and economic gain.

    Past History however has shown that religion grew too big for its boots and inevitably became a focus for past rulers to seal their rule with an iron fist. An unruly people require great resources in order to be ruled so man power is not exactly available but the next best thing is that of dieties, the rules of the gods that browbeat society into a particular way of thinking and seek out a malleable populace to conform to their way of thinking and via cognitive dissonasance then other people follow likewise influencing others via their peers or their family. Hammurabi of Sumer was the first ancient king to realise the value of religion from researching this topic. Through his codes he ruled with people never questioning his authority lest they be judged by the gods whom they believed in

    Anu and Bel called by name me, Hammurabi, the exalted prince, who feared God, to bring about the rule of righteousness in the land, to destroy the wicked and the evil-doers; so that the strong should not harm the weak; so that I should rule over the black-headed people like Shamash, and enlighten the land, to further the well-being of mankind.
    Modern day Ireland is getting used to the last vestiges of the RCC looking to obtain control via proxy organisations and others acting in the name of god. Recent calls for abortion were met with a reaction from 15,000 pro lifers bussed down by parish churches and money spent by religious organisations to ensure that they are still on control of the country. Having seen their definition of the family undermined by the potential legalisation of same sex marriage, the Iona institute launched a campaign to keep the definition of the famiy as per Bunreacht na h-Eireann arguing that such a change would inevitably impact on the development of the child. The extent of religious control does not extend just to that of social policy and research has touched upon it as a tool for the control of wealth to benefit the bourgoise in society where the vast majority of wealth lays.

    Frederick Solt from the University of Illinois looked at the use of religion as a tool to keep the poor as exactly as they are, poor. His research took into account the correlation between religiosity of those whom were rich and those whom were poor. They labelled this theory as the 'Relative Power Theory'. Their conclusions were that religion takes the place of materialism in their lives and the priveleges of the rich are kept intact. Which brings us back to the whole vicious circile that we mentioned earlier in the post.

    Research by Pippa Norris, at Harvard University, and Ronald Ingelhart, at the University of Michigan looked at modernisation and its affects and they came to a conclusion which some people will agree with. The less people have the more likely they are to turn to religion as they see financial security as the replacement for this and are turning their backs on religion. Europe has a low level of believers in place of the USA where there is no welfare model as we have in Europe so people will not believe in a god in Ireland but are more likely in America.

    Not a comforting thought, you are either financially secure or are more than likely religious but its rare we find both and the poorer you are the more religious you may become, a cog in the machine of that religion . Doing as you are told for fear of ending up in hell which is if you are poor, where you may very well be......


    http://www.isj.org.uk/?id=456

    http://epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/...p-poor-in.html

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/dna/place-lanc.../plain/A933914

    http://newhumanist.org.uk/2220/who-needs-god
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    Fluffy.
    That's all it has ever been .
    The Greeks knew it.
    And the Emperor Constantine amalgamated all the Christian and sundry sects together to control the populance.
    Promise eternal bliss but don't mess with the status quo in the here and now lest you upset the powers that be.
    Guttenberg and the printing press was the worst thing that happened to western religion.

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    People feel a need to explain in simple terms the world around them. Religion does that. It focuses heavily on the emotions. But by giving simplified explanations it then removes the pressure for social change. I don't think religion emerged originally as a tool for social control but by default that is pretty much what it became.

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    Corporate cultism, quite brilliant in the way it uses the power of group-think to keep the flock in line. It was easier for the mass of the group to go along with it based on the need to fit in and conform that most people are born with. The rites of passage rituals of the cultural group were all entwined with the corporate brand combined with brainwashing from an early age it's a powerfully self-sustaining force. They had it all wrapped up, births, deaths, marriages. Step outside the norm and the group turned their back on you.

    A dream for controlling society and maintaining the status-quo. All implemented by the enthusiasts for whom it is a powerful narcotic. Poorer societies had more need for the hopium and charity business that the Corporate Church provided. Politicians and Bishops playing footsie knowing the status-quo was good for both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffybiscuits View Post
    Man's mind is irrational at times and while we are rational in how respond to fear the response to the fear of alienation was the irrational with the manifestation in the mind of man of religion. You are stung by a wasp and what do you do? You swat it with a paper or you avoid it for a few minutes, you do not come after the wasp with a flame thrower and seek to smash the hive and set it on fire. Religion is a lot like that, our fears of alienation played on our minds and the response was to invent religion - the flame thrower on the wasp hive. That is not to say the religion does not have a role to play in society, it can act as a glue to bind those whom are being oppressed. Bedouins being a nomadic people were those often living in the desert and were often people of a modest disposition in contrast to towns people whom would trade and live off the profits they made from trading. Under a prophet the Bedouins were united in their fight against oppression and as such there becomes a vicious cycle with a correlation between religion and economic gain.

    Past History however has shown that religion grew too big for its boots and inevitably became a focus for past rulers to seal their rule with an iron fist. An unruly people require great resources in order to be ruled so man power is not exactly available but the next best thing is that of dieties, the rules of the gods that browbeat society into a particular way of thinking and seek out a malleable populace to conform to their way of thinking and via cognitive dissonasance then other people follow likewise influencing others via their peers or their family. Hammurabi of Sumer was the first ancient king to realise the value of religion from researching this topic. Through his codes he ruled with people never questioning his authority lest they be judged by the gods whom they believed in



    Modern day Ireland is getting used to the last vestiges of the RCC looking to obtain control via proxy organisations and others acting in the name of god. Recent calls for abortion were met with a reaction from 15,000 pro lifers bussed down by parish churches and money spent by religious organisations to ensure that they are still on control of the country. Having seen their definition of the family undermined by the potential legalisation of same sex marriage, the Iona institute launched a campaign to keep the definition of the famiy as per Bunreacht na h-Eireann arguing that such a change would inevitably impact on the development of the child. The extent of religious control does not extend just to that of social policy and research has touched upon it as a tool for the control of wealth to benefit the bourgoise in society where the vast majority of wealth lays.

    Frederick Solt from the University of Illinois looked at the use of religion as a tool to keep the poor as exactly as they are, poor. His research took into account the correlation between religiosity of those whom were rich and those whom were poor. They labelled this theory as the 'Relative Power Theory'. Their conclusions were that religion takes the place of materialism in their lives and the priveleges of the rich are kept intact. Which brings us back to the whole vicious circile that we mentioned earlier in the post.

    Research by Pippa Norris, at Harvard University, and Ronald Ingelhart, at the University of Michigan looked at modernisation and its affects and they came to a conclusion which some people will agree with. The less people have the more likely they are to turn to religion as they see financial security as the replacement for this and are turning their backs on religion. Europe has a low level of believers in place of the USA where there is no welfare model as we have in Europe so people will not believe in a god in Ireland but are more likely in America.

    Not a comforting thought, you are either financially secure or are more than likely religious but its rare we find both and the poorer you are the more religious you may become, a cog in the machine of that religion . Doing as you are told for fear of ending up in hell which is if you are poor, where you may very well be......


    http://www.isj.org.uk/?id=456

    http://epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/...p-poor-in.html

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/dna/place-lanc.../plain/A933914

    http://newhumanist.org.uk/2220/who-needs-god
    Fluffy do you not know any short stories, religion has controlled the world since day one, from witch doctors, popes, and the good auld **** church, that were going to reform things. They have lost control, good riddance to the lot of them.
    They do not have influence over people under 60, the numbers are increasing every day.
    "I have never killed a man but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure". Clarence Darrow

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    Religion.. blah... religion... blah.. religion.. blah....

    If I stopped posting here for a year, upon my return the front page will be the same - thread after thread of the same people agreeing with the same people about how wonderful they are for not being religious.


    Seriously, we get it - everyone agrees with everyone else at how clever they are by not being 'controlled' by religion. Yippee-do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toxic avenger View Post
    Religion.. blah... religion... blah.. religion.. blah....

    If I stopped posting here for a year, upon my return the front page will be the same - thread after thread of the same people agreeing with the same people about how wonderful they are for not being religious.


    Seriously, we get it - everyone agrees with everyone else at how clever they are by not being 'controlled' by religion. Yippee-do.
    There's nothing clever about taking the available evidence and coming to the only logical conclusion possible. It's just commonsense. It wasn't clever opening your mouth to challenge the theocracy I grew up in back in the 70s. The clever thing to do was to keep quiet and that's what the clever people did. It's a pity they weren't honest instead of clever, they could have saved a lot of hurt. No guardian angels around in those days, or ever, but that's just commonsense, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaadi View Post
    There's nothing clever about taking the available evidence and coming to the only logical conclusion possible. It's just commonsense. It wasn't clever opening your mouth to challenge the theocracy I grew up in back in the 70s. The clever thing to do was to keep quiet and that's what the clever people did. It's a pity they weren't honest instead of clever, they could have saved a lot of hurt. No guardian angels around in those days, or ever, but that's just commonsense, isn't it?
    Ireland was not a theocracy in the 1970s. Catholicism was in a much more prominent position and, in some ways was too influential, but this portrayal of martyrdom to somethink akin to the Taliban or Iran under the Ayatollah is just nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toxic avenger View Post
    Ireland was not a theocracy in the 1970s. Catholicism was in a much more prominent position and, in some ways was too influential, but this portrayal of martyrdom to somethink akin to the Taliban or Iran under the Ayatollah is just nonsense.
    You weren't there!

    Almost complete control of education, Nuns in junior infants locking kids in a wardrobe as punishment, apartheid in the classroom for traveller kids unless you had to sit beside them as punishment. Then National school with the Christian Brothers, a diet of corporal punishment for all except the rich kids and any poor old young lad from the wrong side of the tracks who stole from the black-baby box got sent to Letterfrack. No contraceptives, no divorce, people being read out at mass to get more money out of them, and the Magdalen Laundries. All against the background of the men in black seeking to prevent progress.

    Theocratic enough for me to call it a theocracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaadi View Post
    You weren't there!

    Almost complete control of education, Nuns in junior infants locking kids in a wardrobe as punishment, apartheid in the classroom for traveller kids unless you had to sit beside them as punishment. Then National school with the Christian Brothers, a diet of corporal punishment for all except the rich kids and any poor old young lad from the wrong side of the tracks who stole from the black-baby box got sent to Letterfrack. No contraceptives, no divorce, people being read out at mass to get more money out of them, and the Magdalen Laundries. All against the background of the men in black seeking to prevent progress.

    Theocratic enough for me to call it a theocracy.
    No, I didn't grow up there, though I did visit - but I knew enough people, including my own family, who were there - yes there was abuse, yes there was too much social influence, but it was NOT a theocracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaadi View Post
    Corporate cultism, quite brilliant in the way it uses the power of group-think to keep the flock in line. It was easier for the mass of the group to go along with it based on the need to fit in and conform that most people are born with. The rites of passage rituals of the cultural group were all entwined with the corporate brand combined with brainwashing from an early age it's a powerfully self-sustaining force. They had it all wrapped up, births, deaths, marriages. Step outside the norm and the group turned their back on you.

    A dream for controlling society and maintaining the status-quo. All implemented by the enthusiasts for whom it is a powerful narcotic. Poorer societies had more need for the hopium and charity business that the Corporate Church provided. Politicians and Bishops playing footsie knowing the status-quo was good for both.
    Corporate cultism is very similar to catholicism in terms of its operation and how a hierarchy dictate what we do, say and buy . Any dissent is crushed and stigmatised to crush anything that would get in their way. The few whom are at the top know mumbo jumbo is a powerful tool for controlling the masses like the government scare mongering all over Croke Park II .
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    Quote Originally Posted by toxic avenger View Post
    Religion.. blah... religion... blah.. religion.. blah....

    If I stopped posting here for a year, upon my return the front page will be the same - thread after thread of the same people agreeing with the same people about how wonderful they are for not being religious.


    Seriously, we get it - everyone agrees with everyone else at how clever they are by not being 'controlled' by religion. Yippee-do.
    I have posted evidence,are you not going to debate the point?
    Cause I can’t change, I can’t change the world alone
    I need you all, everybody, start dreaming of it
    And take your step that’s gonna make a difference and change your world
    - Hotel FM


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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffybiscuits View Post
    Corporate cultism is very similar to catholicism in terms of its operation and how a hierarchy dictate what we do, say and buy . Any dissent is crushed and stigmatised to crush anything that would get in their way. The few whom are at the top know mumbo jumbo is a powerful tool for controlling the masses like the government scare mongering all over Croke Park II .
    There has been a sea change in the thinking of the Irish population.
    The abuse scandals and perhaps also the bank bailout have shattered belief in authority figures and institutions.

    Government has a very low level of support and our current poll shows that the traditional sources of information aren't trusted.

    The spontaneous gathering of people at the Dail, over Savita Halappavar's death as reported, must have been a shock to the political system. As we know, there has been a close relationship between Church and State in maintaining social hierarchies and justifying privilege.

    The change in thinking on abortion my the majority shows that the hold on peoples' thinking by the Church has substantially gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toxic avenger View Post
    No, I didn't grow up there, though I did visit - but I knew enough people, including my own family, who were there - yes there was abuse, yes there was too much social influence, but it was NOT a theocracy.
    Would you settle for 'de facto', fadder?

    Stop acting the arse like a good man and pretending you never heard of Archbishoip McQuaid and his spies in the civil service, the mysterious disappearance of large amounts of files in the Dept of Just Enough Education to Keep them Thick and Genuflecting etc etc.

    You can go through life one eyed when you look at Irish social history if you like but there is no longer any obligation on the rest of us to lie about the de facto theocracy that was Irish social policy from at least 1938 up to the 1980s.
    Think National. Act Local. Oh- and superstition is just the dark matter of human history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Con O'Sullivan View Post
    Would you settle for 'de facto', fadder?

    Stop acting the arse like a good man and pretending you never heard of Archbishoip McQuaid and his spies in the civil service, the mysterious disappearance of large amounts of files in the Dept of Just Enough Education to Keep them Thick and Genuflecting etc etc.

    You can go through life one eyed when you look at Irish social history if you like but there is no longer any obligation on the rest of us to lie about the de facto theocracy that was Irish social policy from at least 1938 up to the 1980s.
    Tell us the story about the files Con.
    I've heard of one or two but what you mention was quiet another thing.

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