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    Quote Originally Posted by bernadette View Post
    Yes I think that is the way of it, there was and may still be a huge and very powerful paedophile ring.

    My hope is that most of the members are retired or dead and so the ring may no longer be as powerful and we will get the truth.
    From what I've read, most abuse happens in families and teenage boys carry it out. Sometimes there can be a fear of extensive rings, but I doubt if that would ever account for more than a tiny proportion of what happens, because any extensive group is more likely to be uncovered. It seems that Saville did associate with other people who abused, but it is possible that he drew them into it.

    Kincora was very political, and it seems was allowed in order to blackmail and/or spy on people.

    The press report is sensationalist, but I think this worth keeping an eye of as things move on, to see if it does, or does not, have any similar characteristics to Kincora.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    From what I've read, most abuse happens in families and teenage boys carry it out. Sometimes there can be a fear of extensive rings, but I doubt if that would ever account for more than a tiny proportion of what happens, because any extensive group is more likely to be uncovered. It seems that Saville did associate with other people who abused, but it is possible that he drew them into it.

    Kincora was very political, and it seems was allowed in order to blackmail and/or spy on people.

    The press report is sensationalist, but I think this worth keeping an eye of as things move on, to see if it does, or does not, have any similar characteristics to Kincora.
    Not sure you're right about teenage boys I've seen no figures to support that and when I worked in a sphere that dealt with child abuse cases every case was an adult male abusing a relative usually a daughter. Of course those were incest cases there were and still are others.

    Yes Kincora was very political but I'm wondering which came first the abuse or the spies. My instinct is Kincora was already active and when discovered instead of being immediately shut down and offenders prosecuted it was taken over but I would appreciate further information on that if its available.

    Yes its vital to keep a close watch on anything that relates to the investigation. I think if the media, particularly the newly named 'social media' lose interest the investigation will simply fade away.

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    RTE reporting Norman Tebbit as saying there probably was a paedo ring at Westminster and that during the 80's people would have reflexively hushed it up in order to protect the Establishment. Leon Brittan was the Home Sec at the time, and is currently under investigation for raping an 18year old in 1967. And of course, there was Cyril Smyth...
    Tebbit now saying he realises the hush up was a mistake given the scale of abuse now being exposed.

    'Ere we go, 'ere we go, 'ere we go.....

    I would predict that this lot are going to make the RC church look saintly by comparison. Especially if you add in the "legal" sex scandals...Profumo, Parkinson, Mellor, John Major and Edwina Currie, you name it. Back to basics, eh, lads?


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    Leon Britten denying all allegations....


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    http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2014/07/...or-number-ten/

    The Slog is suggesting (via the Telegraph) that a senior minister was stopped with child porn in the 1980s..hushed up.

    Meanwhile, the Telegraph is alleging that upwards of 20 Establishment figures were preying on children's homes..

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...hile-ring.html

    But never fear, Theresa May is on the job. Cough...
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...legations.html

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    ExaroNews @ExaroNews
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    [email protected]_1 tells @bbcnews 'there are false stories being put out in order to muddy the waters and discredit genuine allegations'
    7:23 PM - 7 Jul 2014
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    Possibly another McAlpine farce on the horizon too. Exaro have really been excellent on this and other issues in recent times and shows that there still is hope for good journalism.
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    lovely, just lovely

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    And did M15 do anything with that knowledge? Silly question..


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    Quote Originally Posted by morticia View Post
    And did M15 do anything with that knowledge? Silly question..


    "The floggings will continue until morale improves"
    Oh dear

    “Anyone with any sense who was in trouble would come to the whips and tell them the truth, and say now, “I’m in a jam, can you help?” It might be debt, it might be a scandal involving small boys, or any kind of scandal which a member seemed likely to be mixed up in, they’d come and ask if we could help. And if we could, we did. We would do everything we can because we would store up brownie points. That sounds a pretty nasty reason but one of the reasons is, if we can get a chap out of trouble, he’ll do as we ask forever more.”
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    In 1999, 3 Belgian journalists (Annemie Bulte, Douglas De Coninck and Marie Jeanne Van Heeswijck) wrote a book called "X-Dossiers, what Belgium is not allowed to know about the Dutroux Case) (Uitgeverij Houtekiet, ISBN (10) 9052405360.) I'm not sure if the book was ever translated into any other language. The journalists used the court records of the Dutroux case to investigate the investigating police. The result was quite astonishing in exposing the indifference of the investigators to clues and testimonies available to them, as well as the numerous cover-ups of what were obvious "embarrasing" revelations involving high flyers in Belgian and international politics. In the book, no names are mentioned. Subsequent publications by others do mention names, involving indeed high flying past and current politicians, including a current EU commissioner, PMs, heads of civil service departments, etc. And not just in Belgium.
    The "X-Dossiers" also mention MI5 and Kincora. And here it does mention names, including Stella Rimington, ex boss of MI5 and an MI5 agent called Stephen Daldry. It is alleged that MI5 not only knew about Kincora, but regularly used "the service". These allegations are also made in an article in Wake-up magazine, by a journalist called Jack Grantham. A similar allegation was made in another magazine "Scallywag" regarding a Kincora type operation in North Wales. In 2007/2008 MI5 was also linked to the goings on in the Haut De La Garenne children's home on Jersey.

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    It seems to me that all it takes or took is for one paedophile to worm his/her way into a position of authority, they were then able to employ or promote like minded people into similar positions, and it appears to have happened in several EU countries if not all of them.

    When the Dutroux case surfaced, he had been abusing and providing victims for years, there were huge demonstrations in Belgium but no real change, in fact his partner was released early from her holiday camp, its true there were some rumblings but as far as I know that's all there were.

    I think all historical child sex abuse allegations should be included in the investigations including Kincora. One thing has to be said about paedophiles: they don't allow politics or terrorism to get in the way.

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    Perhaps our politicians will turn out to be relatively clean as most of the paedos joined the church. That won't have been true in the more secular Protestant nations though...meanwhile, talking of the Church, Pope Francis was apparently informed that 1/50 of his prelates has that tendency. I wonder if the Tories have that stat worked out yet? Or M15. Anyone know what the general population proportion is estimated at? Must be quite high given the 1/4 figure for those who have suffered abuse at one stage or another...


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    The story is getting murkier:

    A former weekly editor has claimed his newspaper’s office was raided by Special Branch in the 1980s after it began working on a story about politicians involved with a paedophile group. Don Hale was editor of the Bury Messenger in the early 1980s when he was handed a dossier on political figures who allegedly supported the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE). Hold The Front Page

    Seems from the story that not even Barbara Castle could stand up to these 'formidable foes'!
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    How long more until something happens here:
    http://www.exaronews.com/articles/53...at-westminster
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    Something had better happen, or I for one will be completely disgusted. However, I suspect the ability of Westminster to hush stuff up far exceeds that of the Catholic Church, so it may never happen.
    "The floggings will continue until morale improves "

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