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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Coalition View Post
    More on the issue of children cyber-bullying, from the Examiner:

    Facebook ‘too slow’ in acting on abusive page
    Friday, January 11, 2013

    This is a clear example of what I described above:

    Legislation is not necessarily required to solve this problem. Facebook could and should agree protocols, and spend more money policing these matters themselves.
    Facebook is there to make profit. People exchange their personal data for a social networking service. There is no way that Facebook is going to start providing the kind of interactive moderation that community discussion sites provide for themselves.

    Young people should consider setting up their own self-operated networks.
    They would have to put time into it, but they would have something that was there for their benefit, not to make fortunes for investors.

    They also need to organise to lobby to change Facebook's privacy settings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Facebook is there to make profit. People exchange their personal data for a social networking service. There is no way that Facebook is going to start providing the kind of interactive moderation that community discussion sites provide for themselves.

    Young people should consider setting up their own self-operated networks.
    They would have to put time into it, but they would have something that was there for their benefit, not to make fortunes for investors.

    They also need to organise to lobby to change Facebook's privacy settings.
    There is an excellent resource for young Irish teenagers called the Coder Dojo and its won awards in Ireland . (jmcc might know a bit more than I!). Young people learn the basics and principles of programming which they can use to move into a career in programming or as you suggest build their own social network. A social network set up by the young people themselves could set their own rules and work in tandem with one and other to ensure a safer network for all. Facebook is faceless itself. We never know if anything is done once we hit the report feedback button as we dont get feedback directly. Perhaps they should rename is faceless book....
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Facebook is there to make profit. People exchange their personal data for a social networking service. There is no way that Facebook is going to start providing the kind of interactive moderation that community discussion sites provide for themselves.

    Young people should consider setting up their own self-operated networks.
    They would have to put time into it, but they would have something that was there for their benefit, not to make fortunes for investors.

    They also need to organise to lobby to change Facebook's privacy settings.
    Setting up their own networks? Sure, but that isn't going to solve the problem, even if it does increase safety.

    It is good to see that the Data Protection Office is auditing the major companies. What was the story with the limp-wristed audit they did of Facebook last year?

    We in Ireland are on the front line of this, because the companies are in our jurisdiction.

    I would love to see a site that is set up to actively facilitate public participation across Europe in the Oireachtas hearings. Perhaps children could get together and run that themselves, right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Coalition View Post
    Setting up their own networks? Sure, but that isn't going to solve the problem, even if it does increase safety.

    It is good to see that the Data Protection Office is auditing the major companies. What was the story with the limp-wristed audit they did of Facebook last year?

    We in Ireland are on the front line of this, because the companies are in our jurisdiction.

    I would love to see a site that is set up to actively facilitate public participation across Europe in the Oireachtas hearings. Perhaps children could get together and run that themselves, right now.
    If there was a vigilance maintained that could alert authority directly Im sure trolls would think twice...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Coalition View Post
    Setting up their own networks? Sure, but that isn't going to solve the problem, even if it does increase safety.

    It is good to see that the Data Protection Office is auditing the major companies. What was the story with the limp-wristed audit they did of Facebook last year?

    We in Ireland are on the front line of this, because the companies are in our jurisdiction.

    I would love to see a site that is set up to actively facilitate public participation across Europe in the Oireachtas hearings. Perhaps children could get together and run that themselves, right now.
    I thought the problem was meant to be safety ?

    The Committee will be doing something about facilitating online submissions.
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    Just spotted this story, which I hadn't seen last December:

    Troubled Facebook software to tackle dole fraud
    Saturday, December 29, 2012

    The country’s dole offices will next month begin rolling out a controversial computer technology that has landed Facebook in trouble with privacy chiefs here.
    In its latest effort to weed out welfare cheats, the Department of Social Protection plan to begin using facial-matching software from the beginning of the new year. The software will use photographic identification supplied with all new claims to automatically detect any other claims made by that person...

    Earlier this year, Facebook agreed to switch off its facial-matching feature following a wave of concerns about privacy and use of personal data.

    The department said there were no plans to use the facial-matching software to snoop on claimant’s social networking pages — a practice commonly used in Britain to catch out potential welfare cheats.
    I am surprised they get away with it in the UK...

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    I thought the problem was meant to be safety ?
    It is and I agreed with you, but setting up a new network is not going to solve the safety issue. And the chances of it succeeding in going global and attracting millions of users is very slim. Local networks are a good idea, and schools should provide them, or facilitate them. After all, isn't that what Facebook started as, at Harvard?

    But if you think children will abandon Facebook completely, with all its bells and whistles, in favour of a local network, you are mistaken.

    If you want to go that route, why not legislate that Facebook is for adults only, and have done with it?


    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post

    The Committee will be doing something about facilitating online submissions.
    Come on. You know as well as I do it will be a non-event unless it is actively promoted. You talk about children standing up for their rights. Well, here is the perfect opportunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Coalition View Post
    It is and I agreed with you, but setting up a new network is not going to solve the safety issue. And the chances of it succeeding in going global and attracting millions of users is very slim. Local networks are a good idea, and schools should provide them. After all, isn't that what Facebook started as.

    But if you think children will abandon Facebook completely, with all its bells and whistles, in favour of a local networks, you are mistaken.

    If you want to go that route, why not legislate that Facebook is for adults only, and have done with it?
    There is off the shelf software now, quite cheap, that emulates Facebook. Vbulletin makes it. And tbh, I find FB very clunky and unpleasant to use, largely because its workings are all about advertising and money making, and it is set up to throttle over extensive networks.

    Most young users of Facebook are primarily interested in the local.

    A network based on a City's schools, say would be much safer for young people than a system like Face book.

    Imo, it would only work if self operated and seen by the users not to be run by the schools authorities.

    Took a look at the Spun Out site last night and was disappointed. Little interaction, no forum, no feedback from admin and no advice on using social media.

    What was all that about, and how much grant/public funding did it get ??
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    Please see re-edits above, C.

    Kids want their Facebook, because kids are brand-driven, and app-driven. If there was a market for a local network it would be filled. That is how the market behaves.

    Facebook needs to be tackled head on by its existing users, across Europe. And we need to help turn these Oireachtas hearings into something positive, rather than negative.

    Kids should in fact use social media to promote the hearings, and let their voices he heard. Turn the beast on itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Coalition View Post
    Please see re-edits above, C.

    Kids want their Facebook, because kids are brand-driven, and app-driven. If there was a market for a local network it would be filled. That is how the market behaves.

    Facebook needs to be tackled head on by its existing users, across Europe. And we need to help turn these Oireachtas hearings into something positive, rather than negative.

    Kids should in fact use social media to promote the hearings, and let their voices he heard. Turn the beast on itself.
    These hearings are only one aspect of the attempts to throttle discussion.

    Why would people not just join the Pirate Party and get themselves elected, as they have elsewhere ?
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    These hearings are only one aspect of the attempts to throttle discussion.

    Why would people not just join the Pirate Party and get themselves elected, as they have elsewhere ?
    Just what we need.. another (imported) political party.

    Is there any other types of organisation that is hosting conferences, and/or academic debate on the issue of social media regulation?

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    in the Dáil yesterday

    http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas....2?opendocument

    Deputy Tony McLoughlin: I thank Deputy Mulherin. I commend Deputy O’Brien on bringing forward this timely Bill. Today’s edition of The Leitrim Observer, a local paper in my constituency, features on its front page the type of sick behaviour by some people using social media. It will give an idea of what is happening. The term Internet trolls is slang for people who host items online in a forum or blog with the intent of provoking an emotional response. The father of Ciara Pugsley, the young schoolgirl from County Leitrim who tragically died by suicide, highlighted this week at a conference a post on a social network which urges teenagers to do a “Ciara”. The front page of the newspaper refers to the site which encourages teenagers to commit suicide. That is the level of depravity that exists and it must be dealt with by schools. Thugs and bullies who are cowards are aided and abetted by websites such as ask.fm because they are allowed to remain anonymous. That is so wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti-Coalition View Post
    Just what we need.. another (imported) political party.

    Is there any other types of organisation that is hosting conferences, and/or academic debate on the issue of social media regulation?
    Pirate Party have an Irish branch. What about Labour, SWP and other parties?? That makes no sense what soever
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    Checked out the Leitrim Observer today re Tony McLoughlin's comments above. Was interested to see where he got his definition of tolls and it seems he lifted it straight off the frontpage except the paper said nothing about "host items online in a forum or blog". I assume whoever wrote his speech was simply trying to convey an air of competence (as there were high profile teen suicides linked to cyberbullying in both Leitrim & South Donegal last year) but throwing in related but unrelated terms like 'hosting' is not a good sign imo.


    These people don't have clue what they are talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    Checked out the Leitrim Observer today re Tony McLoughlin's comments above. Was interested to see where he got his definition of tolls and it seems he lifted it straight off the frontpage except the paper said nothing about "host items online in a forum or blog". I assume whoever wrote his speech was simply trying to convey an air of competence (as there were high profile teen suicides linked to cyberbullying in both Leitrim & South Donegal last year) but throwing in related but unrelated terms like 'hosting' is not a good sign imo.

    These people don't have clue what they are talking about.
    Certainly true of the ones who don't post themselves.
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