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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    If you had read the article you would have understood how they did this instead of posting *bs.
    No I hadn't, as I didn't think I needed to in order to dismiss it. Now I have and I was absolutely right.

    "For security reasons, the FFM was unable to visit Khan Shaykhun." And just why would that be? If things were exactly as al-Nusra portrayed them, they would have welcomed the FFM with open arms.

    Nor is there any mention of the repeated invitations from the Syrian government to visit the military base from which the flight came.

    In American jurisprudence, there is a basic concept called "chain of custody." All of the evidence used by the OPCW to determine this passed through the hands of al-Nusra first. And all eyewitness witnesses were likely carefully selected by al-Nusra. (And just what were those samples allegedly provided by the Syrian government, which of course is not in Khan Sheykhoun? A clever bit of disinformation to confuse the readers.)

    Did the Syrian pilot who conducted the air raid drop Sarin on Khan Sheykhoun? Perhaps. But this basically worthless report tells us nothing. It has all the earmarks of a report whose conclusions were written before the investigation began, whose purpose was to confirm them. No wonder the Russians don't want to support a "JIM" with the same mandate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Marxist Historian View Post
    Well, not quite. The latest from the Trumpistas is that the Syrian regime, trembling in fear of Trump, has called off the Syrian gas attack they had planned, and Trump has celebrated another victory.

    They slaver all right, but the bark seems louder than the bite. After that Syrian plane was shot down, and the Russians announced that they would be targeting any US planes thenceforth flying over Syrian government territory, that seems to have had as it were a bracing effect.

    Meanwhile the Syrian regime has thoroughly won the race for the border, totally blocking the "Syrian rebels" from any share of the deflating ISIS pie. Not only that, but the Assad forces have blocked any further progress south by the US paratrooperss at the Tabqadam west of Raqqah, and now that ISIS has abandoned East Aleppo, they will likely soon move to block Raqqah from the south also.

    And the Syrian rebels are trying a truly desperate last throw, namely an attempted advance on Damascus more or less from the Golan Heights, directly aided by the Israeli airforce bombing the Syrian army. Even that has gotten nowhere basically.

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    The alignment of some opposition militias with Israel/ the IDF is getting more and more blatant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    The alignment of some opposition militias with Israel/ the IDF is getting more and more blatant.
    Especially since the press is claiming that the US has abandoned them. Meaning they need a new patron, and Israel is handy.

    And something actually significant militarily just happened. As the SDF offensive into Raqqah has bogged down, no doubt due to a considerable degree to the SDF having to pull back some of its forces to fend off the impending Turkish invasion of the Kurdish pocket on the Turkish border in northwest Syria, the Syrian army has reached the Euphrates, blocking the possibility of the SDF and the US from grabbing any more of Syria from ISIS. The latest war map, from anti-government rather than pro-government sources, should illustrate what I mean. Blow it up for the area south of Raqqah, and you see how the SDF has been cut off.

    https://syria.liveuamap.com/

    As can be seen from the map, the Syrian government forces had already blocked the syrian rebels off from benefitting from the inevitable collapse of ISIS. Now Trump's preferred pawns, the SDF, have been similarly blocked. Making it inevitable that sooner or later all ISIS-held Syria will fall to Assad-and whatever is left of Raqqah soon after. And the increasing dominance of HTS over the Syrian rebels, especially in Idlib, will facilitate cleaning out the remaining pockets of Syrian rebeldom in the aftermath. Then would come a grand, bloody, mass murderous confrontation with the Kurds, giving the US the opportunity to, once again, betray the Kurds as it has done so often before.

    But none of this right away. As you can also see from the map, it would be very dangerous for the Assad forces to advance much further, while you still have a significant ISIS stronghold in their rear. Even now, all the new Assad conquests in northeast Syria are supplied through an extremely narrow bottleneck in continuing danger of being cut off, in the eastern part of Homs province.

    According to Southfront, since the fall of Mosul and the cutoff of the ISIS garrison in Raqqah, ISIS has concentrated major forces there, presumably hoping the Assad forces will overextend themselves trying to break through to the Deir Ezzor garrison. While the Assad forces have advanced rapidly up to and south of Raqqah, attempts to clear out the rear have thus far failed, for whatever reason.

    Southfront claims that this area is strategically not just tactically important for ISIS, as it is by way of this ISIS strongholfd, which communicates easily with the Syrian rebel stronghold around Idlib and thence with Turkey, that ISIS get what outside assistance it still can, and can still export oil for cash and guns. There are quite a few oil wells in central and eastern Syria, indeed quite a bit of recent fighting has been over those oil wells.

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    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...g-nuclear-deal

    More US sanctions were imposed by the US on Iran back in May. Interestingly they responded with their own sanctions, including sanctions against Booz Hamilton

    Trump's hysterical rhetoric against Iran is intensifying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    Your views are nothing short of cartoon I have to say. In your opinion no one in Syria is capable of any thought or any genuine belief or capable of carrying out any actions on their own behalf other than for some mercenary motive. They are all simply some puppets or pieces on a board moved around by all powerful outsiders. There is probably a word to sum up such an outlook but I won't go there ..

    Here is the background of Mohammed Zahran Alloush, for example, who was probably the most influential person in the rebellion in Eastern Ghouta up to his death. For you just a person interested in a "big pay packet" and "toys for the boys" ...

    https://tcf.org/content/report/into-the-tunnels/
    Alloush - always part of a Saudi aligned grouping - was bought up lock stock and smoking barrels by Prince Bandar back in 2013 when the "Army of Islam" (!) was funded by what Bandar claimed was a fund of billions. Even Carnegie reported it at the time as did all the European and US main stream media.

    http://carnegie-mec.org/2013/10/28/u...fray-pub-53436

    I really don't know how you managed to miss this.

    The cartoon version is the Arabian Nights tale about deeply religious self financed zealots engaged for a mystery reason in social revolution.

    You cannot be serious.
    Last edited by C. Flower; 26-07-2017 at 09:43 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    If you had asked me what country in the Western Hemisphere has been the largest per capita supplier of fighters to ISIS the last place that would have come to mind was a Caribbean island famous for rum drinking, soca music and carnival.

    But it's a funny world .. and, according to an Al Jazeera documentary, Trinidad and Tobago indeed holds that dubious distinction with some 400 young men know to have left their tropical paradise to journey to Iraq and Syria.

    But I do recall reading some years ago that a leading ISIS figure came from Guyana of all places on the planet.
    Looked at this and there is a Saudi connection going back a few years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...g-nuclear-deal

    More US sanctions were imposed by the US on Iran back in May. Interestingly they responded with their own sanctions, including sanctions against Booz Hamilton

    Trump's hysterical rhetoric against Iran is intensifying.


    Warshington
    Is Iran in Our Gun Sights Now?

    by Patrick J. Buchanan

    July 21, 2017


    Is Iran in Our Gun Sights Now?

    “Iran must be free. The dictatorship must be destroyed. Containment is appeasement and appeasement is surrender.”

    Thus does our Churchill, Newt Gingrich, dismiss, in dealing with Iran, the policy of containment crafted by George Kennan and pursued by nine U.S. presidents to bloodless victory in the Cold War.

    Why is containment surrender? “Because freedom is threatened everywhere so long as this dictatorship stays in power,” says Gingrich.

    But how is our freedom threatened by a regime with 3 percent of our GDP that has been around since Jimmy Carter was president?

    Fortunately, Gingrich has found a leader to bring down the Iranian regime and ensure the freedom of mankind. “In our country that was George Washington and ... the Marquis de Lafayette. In Italy it was Garibaldi,” says Gingrich.

    Whom has he found to rival Washington and Garibaldi? Says Gingrich, “Maryam Rajavi.”

    Who is she? The leader of the National Council of Resistance of Iran, or Mujahedeen-e-Khalq, which opposed the Shah, broke with the old Ayatollah, collaborated with Saddam Hussein, and, until 2012, was designated a terrorist organization by the U.S. Department of State.

    At the NCRI conference in Paris in July where Gingrich spoke, and the speaking fees were reportedly excellent, John Bolton and Rudy Giuliani were also on hand.
    “But Iran does not want war with the United States—for the best of reasons.”

    Calling Iran’s twice-elected President Hassan Rouhani, “a violent, vicious murderer,” Giuliani said, “the time has come for regime change.”

    Bolton followed suit. “Tehran is not merely a nuclear weapons threat, it is not merely a terrorist threat, it is a conventional threat to everybody in the region,” he said. Hence, “the declared policy of the United States of America should be the overthrow of the mullahs’ regime in Tehran.”

    We will all celebrate in Tehran in 2019, Bolton assured the NCRI faithful.

    Good luck. Yet, as The New York Times said yesterday, all this talk, echoed all over this capital, is driving us straight toward war. “A drumbeat of provocative words, outright threats and actions—from President Trump and some of his top aides as well as Sunni Arab leaders and American activists—is raising tensions that could lead to armed conflict with Iran.”

    Is this what America wants or needs—a new Mideast war against a country three times the size of Iraq?

    After Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen, would America and the world be well-served by a war with Iran that could explode into a Sunni-Shiite religious war across the Middle East?

    Bolton calls Iran “a nuclear weapons threat.”

    But in 2007, all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies declared with high confidence Iran had no nuclear weapons program. They stated this again in 2011.

    Under the nuclear deal, Iran exported almost all of its uranium, stopped enriching to 20 percent, shut down thousands of centrifuges, poured concrete into the core of its heavy water reactor, and allows U.N. inspectors to crawl all over every facility.

    Is Iran, despite all this, operating a secret nuclear weapons program? Or is this War Party propaganda meant to drag us into another Mideast war?

    To ascertain the truth, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee should call the heads of the CIA and DIA, and the Director of National Intelligence, to testify in open session.

    We are told we are menaced also by a Shiite Crescent rising and stretching from Beirut to Damascus, Baghdad and Tehran.

    And who created this Shiite Crescent?

    It was George W. Bush who ordered the Sunni regime of Saddam overthrown, delivering Iraq to its Shiite majority. It was Israel whose invasion and occupation of Lebanon from 1982 to 2000 gave birth to the Shiite resistance now known as Hezbollah.

    As for Bashar Assad in Syria, his father sent troops to fight alongside Americans in the Gulf War.

    The Ayatollah’s regime, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and the Basij militia are deeply hostile to this country. But Iran does not want war with the United States—for the best of reasons. Iran would be smashed like Iraq, and its inevitable rise, as the largest and most advanced country on the Persian Gulf, would be aborted.

    Moreover, we have interests in common: Peace in the Gulf, from which Iran’s oil flows and without which Iran cannot grow, as Rouhani intends, by deepening Iran’s ties to Europe and the advanced world.

    And we have enemies in common: ISIS, al-Qaida and all the Sunni terrorists whose wildest dream is to see their American enemies fight their Shiite enemies.

    Who else wants a U.S. war with Iran, besides ISIS?

    Unfortunately, their number is legion: Saudis, Israelis, neocons and their think tanks, websites and magazines, hawks in both parties on Capitol Hill, democracy crusaders, and many in the Pentagon who want to deliver payback for what the Iranian-backed Shiite militias did to us in Iraq.

    President Trump is key. If he does the War Party’s bidding, that will be his legacy, as the Iraq War is the legacy of George W. Bush.


    http://takimag.com/article/is_iran_i...#ixzz4nyh8Xmgl
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    US says fighting the butcher Assad is a no-no ....

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40746045

    But then I started telling you all which way the wind was blowing about two years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    US says fighting the butcher Assad is a no-no ....

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40746045

    But then I started telling you all which way the wind was blowing about two years ago.
    You were telling us two years ago that the US would admit it and its proxies would be beaten in Syria ? Really ?

    There is nothing new there. The US has always said it was in Syria to fight ISIS.
    However, Col Dillon told reporters in Washington: "We have made it very clear time and again our goal in Syria and Iraq is to fight ISIS and fight ISIS only [and] we've asked [our partner forces] to be committed to that same mission.
    Until Russia intervened in Syria, ISIS continued to expand. It remains to be seen if US 'concentration on fighting ISIS' will involve more confrontations with the Syrian, Iranian-backed militias and Hezbollah on the ground as has been happening over the last months. Will the US close down its illegal bases in Syria and cede the ISIS -held territory back to the Syrian State ? That remains to be seen... And of course - this -

    A separate US military programme to train, arm and provide air support to an alliance of Kurdish and Arab fighters battling so-called Islamic State will continue.
    Trump has ended official support for the Syrian anti-Assad militias. He has ramped up agressive talk against Iran (labelled a dictatorship, while of course it is an electoral democracy), and an Iranian boat was fired on yesterday during US Coalition exercises in the gulf.

    It is a Republican government now in the States. There is growing threat of conventional military operations by the US in the Middle East and elsewhere.

    A US trained and equipped militia in Syria has reportedly defected - will be one to watch.

    a group known as Shohada Al Quartyan, which was part of the US-led coalition in southern Syria, had split off after being told to focus on IS and not fighting against Mr Assad's government forces.Coalition spokesman Colonel Ryan Dillon said they "unilaterally, without US or coalition permission or coordination" conducted patrols outside a specified zone and engaged in "activities not focused on fighting ISIS".
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    From Assange's tweets, two days ago ---

    Will the 'rebels' carry on getting their salaries ?
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    You were telling us two years ago that the US would admit it and its proxies would be beaten in Syria ? Really ?

    There is nothing new there. The US has always said it was in Syria to fight ISIS.

    Until Russia intervened in Syria, ISIS continued to expand. It remains to be seen if US 'concentration on fighting ISIS' will involve more confrontations with the Syrian, Iranian-backed militias and Hezbollah on the ground as has been happening over the last months. Will the US close down its illegal bases in Syria and cede the ISIS -held territory back to the Syrian State ? That remains to be seen... And of course - this -
    The policies of Trump are simply the policies of Obama on steroids. Obama recognized quite a while ago that the "Syrian rebels" were a losing card to play, and shifted to using the Kurds as his tools instead. Trump has simply dotted the i's and crossed the t's. Obviously, Trump would like to hand all the US bases over to the Kurds, but the current battle lines make that physically impossible.

    And it seems as if the rebels are either flocking to ex-Al Q'aeda or selling themselves to a new puppet master, namely Israel. Now that ISIS is clearly on the rocks, the Israelis need a card to play of their own, and the "FSA" is quite suitable for the purpose.

    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post

    Trump has ended official support for the Syrian anti-Assad militias. He has ramped up agressive talk against Iran (labelled a dictatorship, while of course it is an electoral democracy), and an Iranian boat was fired on yesterday during US Coalition exercises in the gulf.

    It is a Republican government now in the States. There is growing threat of conventional military operations by the US in the Middle East and elsewhere.

    A US trained and equipped militia in Syria has reportedly defected - will be one to watch.
    Here is where Obama and Trump genuinely differ. The essence of Obama's Middle East policy was cutting a deal with Iran. The only really consistent Middle East foreign policy Trump has always advocated has been hate Iran. If Trump really wants to go to war with somebody, Iran would be his choice. That the Iranians foolishly agreed to ship out all their uranium under Obama's agreement could facilitate this. Missiles are all very well, but useless without an atomic punch.

    How this will play out in Iraq will be interesting-but thoroughly unpleasant for the people of Iraq. And the world.

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    What a joy to read something well informed on Syria ...

    https://mkaradjis.wordpress.com/2017...-way-conflict/
    Do not rejoice in his defeat, you men. For though the world has stood up and stopped the bastard, the (female dog) that bore him is in heat again. Bertolt Brecht

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    What a joy to read something well informed on Syria ...

    https://mkaradjis.wordpress.com/2017...-way-conflict/
    This lengthy analysis basically argues that the US has always planned to fight the alleged "Syrian revolution" by not sending *enough* guns, bombs and CIA advisers to help out.

    Seems to me, if that was what Obama had in mind, wouldn't it have just been simpler to support Assad outright? Assad would have loved that, even to the point of kicking the Russians out of Latakia and giving the base to Uncle Sam. After all, Assad got along rather nicely with Bush Sr., torturing prisoners for him, so why not?

    This is all one lengthy lawyer's argument to disguise what everybody knows, namely that the FSA from its birth have been patsies for US and European imperialism, if not outright tools. Uncooperative patsies quite often, like Ngo Dinh Diem in Vietnam. And we know what happened to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    What a joy to read something well informed on Syria ...

    https://mkaradjis.wordpress.com/2017...-way-conflict/
    First thing I checked on was factually incorrect or as Politifact calls it 'half true'. Hilary Clinton did not call Assad a reformer in 2011. Assad was viewed as a problem, and Clinton said he had to go.
    The (US) enthusiasm for Assad began to dissipate with his opposition to President George W. Bush’s invasion of Iraq and the assassination of Lebanese prime minister Rafiq Hariri, which Syrian security officials were faulted for but Assad denied. The Bush White House also said the government was allowing members of terrorist groups to pass through his country to fight the United States in Iraq.
    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...d-syrias-assa/

    If, as that article claims, the main aim of the US was to use the FSA and FS to fight ISIS, why did the US not arm them ? The whole thing is just hokum.

    People who think the US would back any kind of genuine progressive revolution must be entirely ignorant of world history and the economic, political and military aspects of modern imperialism. They cannot be serious.

    The article's footnotes are all dead links and whilst it talks about class analysis, it fails to make any such analysis beyond a single remark to the effect that Assad's government appeared imperialistic.

    There is no analysis either of the local Syrian and ME economic and political forces or the global ones that are behind the havoc in the Middle East.
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    Ah, Patrick Buchanan. I guess he likes Iran because they are Muslim fundamentalists, and he likes Christian fundamentalists, and is bright enough to realise, unlike dumber right wingers, that they have much in common. Dislike of Jews if nothing else. The main is that rare thing in American politics, an actual only thinly disguised anti-Semite, who has publicly argued that the US should not have gotten involved in WWII, as Stalin was as bad or worse than Hitler.

    The best line about Buchanan was that of liberal Texas journalist Molly Ivins, after his infamous racist speech at the 1992 Republican Convention.

    "Great speech. But it would have been even better in the original German."

    All that said, nonetheless pretty much everything in said statement by Buchanan is true. Such are the complexities of life. As someone once said, the devil can quote scripture at need.

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