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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    Wars are always fought by the poor while the rich get richer. It's the same on the Assad side. But at least in rebel held areas the poor country boys have a choice as to whether to fight or not ... and many choose not to. In the Assad areas every last poor male is press ganged into his army and sent off to die for the dictator .... while he and his family and cronies sit safely around tables groaning with the best food and wine and have their every need catered for.

    Never see you crying about this though .....
    Well of course Gaith Abdul Ahad was not making a bland general point about the role of rich and poor in war. He was describing a specific example of two different militias fighting in Syria in 2013. One was genuinely political and Syrian and not strong enough to hold its positions. The other was a family group of rural young men fighting as mercenaries and funded from outside Syria (On receipt of youtube footage showing them fighting). The opposition fighters from within Syria have consistently come mostly from rural areas and better-off conservative religious towns. The Syrian working class has not in the main come out and joined the armed opposition. This does not mean they all love the present system but they do recognise the threat of something worse and they do not want to fight.

    Syria, Iran, South Korea, Russia, Venezuela, are among the resource-rich states which have as yet not been entirely overrun by neoliberalism and which dont accept US military bases. Of course there is outrage from some quarters that when they defend themselves. The backers of the Syrian opposition are doing so purely in their own interests and certainly not out of love for democracy or civic liberties. Their worst nightmare would be social revolution by the working class and allies and there is no way they would fund it.

    The proxy war stopped the development of a progressive movement against Assad in its tracks.
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    hm ... a self-hating American.

    (and there was me thinking that only applies to Jews)

    It doesn't "apply to Jews" at all. It's a despicable slur used by Zionists to attack Jews who are not Zionists.
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    I doubt it will be pleasant for anyone.
    4 tanks, 8 pickups, one shilka and some other stuff destroyed by coalition airstrike. At least 6 dead.

    The regime says they are not giving up and that when they go back it will be with 24/7 air cover. Haha ..

    Russians are moaning to beat the band. Apparently they are the only foreign power allowed to bomb things in Syria.

    They will suck it up however.
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    I never said that the US had a secret pact with Assad. Your constant misrepresentations are one of the reasons why I do not wish to continue this discussion.

    I have simply stated that:

    [1] The Syrian Revolution was not instigated nor organised by the US as some would like us to believe. It was an indigenous rising of oppressed people.

    [2] Once the uprising started the US never displayed any real will to have the dictator overthrown. No substantial weaponry, training or money was provided to the rebels. Meanwhile private money and weapons (from other parts of the Middle East) flowed to the Jihadi groups allowing them to assume a prominent place in the revolution.

    [3] Once Russia entered the fray the US position shifted to one of Assad being allowed to remain in power.

    [4] The US in recent times has been almost entirely concentrated on defeating ISIS. To this end their principal ally in Syria is the YPG which is also a prop of the Assad regime.

    So from day 1 until now the Syrian conflict has never been a question of "regime change" on the part of the US .. as leftists like to assert in the most simplistic manner.
    You are surely not holding on to the belief that funding for Salafist fighters came from private individuals now that we have Clinton's email clearly stating it was the Saudi Government ?

    Also confirmed in your Guardian link a couple of days back.

    Trump's first port of call outside the US as a matter of interest is Saudi Arabia.
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    The forces that the US struck yesterday in South Syria appear to be an Iranian backed Iraqi militia.

    Iran is anxious to get a Tehran to Damascus (and even the Med one could say) land route opened up and may have jumped the gun here. According to the leader of the FSA affiliated (and US backed) Maghawir al-Thawra group based in al-Tanaf they had been notified by the US the previous day that they would have to relocate to avoid clashes with the regime. So it seems like the plan was to hand it over to the regime in due course. The Russians had also asked Iran to hold off but were ignored. Some talking has probably been going on between Moscow and Tehran since.

    In the area of North Aleppo near Manjib handed over to the regime by the YPG there have been demonstrations in recent days and the regime flag has been torn down.

    There have been shoot outs in the centre of Aleppo city between the NDF and other Shabiha.

    In fighting has broken out again between rebel groups in East Ghouta. Jaysh al-Islam v. Al Rahman Corps (Islamist but FSA affiliated) and HTS.

    In Idlib province HTS complained that "gangs" of people took over their checkpoints and erected barriers around Sinjar village. They are in the process of sorting these out. Sinjar is in Maarrat al-Nu'man district which is a hotbed of anti-HTS sentiment. They would be better of just staying away.
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    Deleted. Old news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    It doesn't "apply to Jews" at all. It's a despicable slur used by Zionists to attack Jews who are not Zionists.

    politically that is correct ... but jews throw it around jokingly among themselves all the time . .

    [ there is more to life than politics ]

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    hm ... a self-hating American.

    (and there was me thinking that only applies to Jews)
    Self? No. It's the American government and American ruling class I hate, and have done so ever since My Lai. American soldiers have no business in other people's countries, and the American government has no business in meddling in the affairs of other countries, for purposes of exploitation not liberation.

    The US army isn't only the enemy of the people of the world, it's the enemy of the people of America too. Every time something bad happens to the army for which one Donald Trump is currently the commander in chief, it's a good thing for America.

    I'm actually quite happy & proud to be an American. We had two world-changing revolutions, one in 1776 and another in the 1860s. We're due for a third, which could be even better.

    -AMH-

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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Well of course Gaith Abdul Ahad was not making a bland general point about the role of rich and poor in war. He was describing a specific example of two different militias fighting in Syria in 2013. One was genuinely political and Syrian and not strong enough to hold its positions. The other was a family group of rural young men fighting as mercenaries and funded from outside Syria (On receipt of youtube footage showing them fighting). The opposition fighters from within Syria have consistently come mostly from rural areas and better-off conservative religious towns. The Syrian working class has not in the main come out and joined the armed opposition. This does not mean they all love the present system but they do recognise the threat of something worse and they do not want to fight.

    Syria, Iran, South Korea, Russia, Venezuela, are among the resource-rich states which have as yet not been entirely overrun by neoliberalism and which dont accept US military bases. Of course there is outrage from some quarters that when they defend themselves. The backers of the Syrian opposition are doing so purely in their own interests and certainly not out of love for democracy or civic liberties. Their worst nightmare would be social revolution by the working class and allies and there is no way they would fund it.

    The proxy war stopped the development of a progressive movement against Assad in its tracks.
    You mean North not South Korea?

    North Korea, for all its horrifying features, is indeed a country not yet overrun by what often gets called, unscientifically, "neoliberalism." Really, plain old boots-trodding-the-faces-of-the-poor capitalism. Venezuela did carry out some genuine measures for the poor, based on proceeds from oil exports that allowed some populist measures by ex-officer leftist wannabe Bonaparte Chavez and his pigmy successor-often to keep the US military running, so under Obama efforts to get rid of the regime were fairly half-hearted. But now they are stepping up. With oil prices declining, the populist measures have been ending and the economy is falling apart.

    Syria, Iran and Russia are all thoroughly capitalist countries, Russia to sometimes comic and embarrassing extremes (anyone here read Gary Shteyngart's Absurdistan? a brilliant book) exceeded only in ... Ukraine. Putin by the way, a sophisticated fellow, has publicly stated on various occasions that yes, he knows what state capitalism iand that the Russian economy is based on private not state capitalism. And indeed, Moscow has the second largest number of billionaries in the world, second only to New York.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Marxist Historian View Post
    You mean North not South Korea?

    North Korea, for all its horrifying features, is indeed a country not yet overrun by what often gets called, unscientifically, "neoliberalism." Really, plain old boots-trodding-the-faces-of-the-poor capitalism. Venezuela did carry out some genuine measures for the poor, based on proceeds from oil exports that allowed some populist measures by ex-officer leftist wannabe Bonaparte Chavez and his pigmy successor-often to keep the US military running, so under Obama efforts to get rid of the regime were fairly half-hearted. But now they are stepping up. With oil prices declining, the populist measures have been ending and the economy is falling apart.

    Syria, Iran and Russia are all thoroughly capitalist countries, Russia to sometimes comic and embarrassing extremes (anyone here read Gary Shteyngart's Absurdistan? a brilliant book) exceeded only in ... Ukraine. Putin by the way, a sophisticated fellow, has publicly stated on various occasions that yes, he knows what state capitalism iand that the Russian economy is based on private not state capitalism. And indeed, Moscow has the second largest number of billionaries in the world, second only to New York.

    -AMH-
    You are right that I meant North Korea ( a typo). But wrong to assume that I meant capitalism. I meant neoliberalism
    There have been endless, repeated coups d'etats and manipulated changes of leaders of states and of regimes, carried out in US self interest. The British and French to a much lesser extent are also in the game. These countries were in the main not socialist. Any government less tham 100 % under the thumb are considered fair game. The US ruling class was never in the least interested in 'democratisation of the Middle East as you suggest. It acts in pure self interest, economic and military. US Imperialist agression cant be equated with the attempts of regimes and governments on the receiving end at self defence. The problem with these regimes and governments on the receiving end is that they are not prepared to mobilise the working class (national and international)in self defence. Too worried about might unleash.
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    A response to the recent "crematorium" claims: http://original.antiwar.com/Ted_Fais...mear-campaign/

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Marxist Historian View Post
    Self? No. It's the American government and American ruling class I hate, and have done so ever since My Lai. American soldiers have no business in other people's countries, and the American government has no business in meddling in the affairs of other countries, for purposes of exploitation not liberation.

    I'm actually quite happy & proud to be an American. We had two world-changing revolutions, one in 1776 and another in the 1860s. We're due for a third, which could be even better.

    -AMH-

    yes i have already accepted you are a w**rdo American awhile ago

    looks like you are ready to join the ranks of the Breitbart'ers .. another Bannon follower


    The US army isn't only the enemy of the people of the world, it's the enemy of the people of America too. Every time something bad happens to the army for which one Donald Trump is currently the commander in chief, it's a good thing for America.
    the only guns i fear at the moment are those i hear nearby ... the Breitbart'ers out there decided to let the neighbors know they are loaded and in the mood for exercising their Second Amendment rights... yesterday i even decided to record it on my iPhone (* just for the fun of it *)

    *snark

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    yes i have already accepted you are a w**rdo American awhile ago

    looks like you are ready to join the ranks of the Breitbart'ers .. another Bannon follower

    *snark
    Far as I'm concerned, Bannon and his Breitbarters are one step away from Nazism. The anarchists and Berkeley students not far from where I live trying to beat up such folks and drive them off campus are stupid. Firstly because it makes martyrs out of them allowing them to cry "free speech," and secondly because they've done so so ineptly that it is the Nazis with their knives and clubs lurking behind the backs of the local Trump crowd putting people into the hospital, rather than the other way around.

    But I have nothing against what the anarchists want to do to them in principle.

    -AMH-

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    If you had asked me what country in the Western Hemisphere has been the largest per capita supplier of fighters to ISIS the last place that would have come to mind was a Caribbean island famous for rum drinking, soca music and carnival.

    But it's a funny world .. and, according to an Al Jazeera documentary, Trinidad and Tobago indeed holds that dubious distinction with some 400 young men know to have left their tropical paradise to journey to Iraq and Syria.

    But I do recall reading some years ago that a leading ISIS figure came from Guyana of all places on the planet.
    Do not rejoice in his defeat, you men. For though the world has stood up and stopped the bastard, the (female dog) that bore him is in heat again. Bertolt Brecht

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    Pro regime forces are eating up east Suwayda in the south along the border with Jordan at a fierce rate. The FSA is not resisting but continuing to attack ISIS to the North and East. Pretty safe to call a Russia/USA agreement. I wonder if the Iranians will be given their road to Tehran ....
    Do not rejoice in his defeat, you men. For though the world has stood up and stopped the bastard, the (female dog) that bore him is in heat again. Bertolt Brecht

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