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    A friend of mine is thinking of running for the local council elections next time round in 2014 (I think?) and we had a discussion the other night. He is thinking of running for the local elections in a small Leinster town outside Dublin however during the discussion he came to the conclusion that he may best running under an FF banner. My suggestion was to run under the ULA or as an Indpendent but his reasoning is due to dynastical politics, family influencing and a lack of interest in younger people in voting. Taking into account the young lad is twenty four, politically aware, has a god network of people locally would he be best in going under the FF branch? I told him in the long term he is selling himself short and may be seen as a traitor. The local council where he is going is a FF/FG strong hold locally and the same people are getting voted in each election. He thinks that civil war politics still has an influence also in that you are either FG/ FF/

    Just looking for a general opinion. Not too sure if he wants me to give any more info but just throwing it out there for general chat....
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    it's because Fianna Fáilers are morons, obviously

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    If he just wants to get elected, then FF makes a lot of sense. The best time to join a political party is when it is down. That is when you get the most kudos and the most influence.

    If he actually believes in specific policies of course, then he should join whoever is most likely to help him implement those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    it's because Fianna Fáilers are morons, obviously
    The lad in questions isnt but he is at risk of becoming one if he does become a member of FF...

    Quote Originally Posted by Richardbouvet View Post
    If he just wants to get elected, then FF makes a lot of sense. The best time to join a political party is when it is down. That is when you get the most kudos and the most influence.

    If he actually believes in specific policies of course, then he should join whoever is most likely to help him implement those.
    He is very much centre left, I dont think FF would suit him at all. The ULA are kind of not known as well as other parties in the area...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffybiscuits View Post
    The lad in questions isnt but he is at risk of becoming one if he does become a member of FF...



    He is very much centre left, I dont think FF would suit him at all. The ULA are kind of not known as well as other parties in the area...
    If the person is considering having anything to do with FF then he shouldn't have anything to do with the ULA, unless its being on the end of one of our pitchforks. It's a handy rule of thumb.
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    He won't get selected to run by FF. Most places have already picked their candidates, it certainly won't be a new guy.

    I know he is your friend fluffy hence I don't want to speak badly of him but I hate people who want to be politicians for the sake of it.

    There are plenty of new careerists like that if SF who are ruining the party. They have already destroyed the youth wing down south.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unspecific715 View Post
    If the person is considering having anything to do with FF then he shouldn't have anything to do with the ULA, unless its being on the end of one of our pitchforks. It's a handy rule of thumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    He won't get selected to run by FF. Most places have already picked their candidates, it certainly won't be a new guy.

    I know he is your friend fluffy hence I don't want to speak badly of him but I hate people who want to be politicians for the sake of it.

    There are plenty of new careerists like that if SF who are ruining the party. They have already destroyed the youth wing down south.
    Ah not at all, speak freely.

    There is an element there that he wants to make change but see's it as a career that he is interested in. I believe sincerely he has his best interests at heart .
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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffybiscuits View Post
    A friend of mine is thinking of running for the local council elections next time round in 2014 (I think?) and we had a discussion the other night. He is thinking of running for the local elections in a small Leinster town outside Dublin however during the discussion he came to the conclusion that he may best running under an FF banner. My suggestion was to run under the ULA or as an Indpendent but his reasoning is due to dynastical politics, family influencing and a lack of interest in younger people in voting. Taking into account the young lad is twenty four, politically aware, has a god network of people locally would he be best in going under the FF branch? I told him in the long term he is selling himself short and may be seen as a traitor. The local council where he is going is a FF/FG strong hold locally and the same people are getting voted in each election. He thinks that civil war politics still has an influence also in that you are either FG/ FF/

    Just looking for a general opinion. Not too sure if he wants me to give any more info but just throwing it out there for general chat....
    It's Ronan Mullen, isn't it?


    Seriously, the fate of Coppinger in the by-election should hint at why standing for the ULA would be a bit of a wasted effort.

    She was a reasonably well known candidate who was at least as presentable as the others yet she could only finish 3rd, behind Lab and FF. And that was in Dublin where the ULA is strongest.

    Someone with a track record and a personal vote already built up might be able to carry the weight of Boyd-Barrett and his money tree but for a neophyte it would be an uphill slog.

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    fluffy - there are times I seriously worry about your political outlook - if your friend is such a fly-by-night operator who is looking around opportunistically for a political bed to lie in then my advice to you would be to tell him take a hike.

    And Biffo - Ruth Coppinger INCREASED the Socialist Party vote in the by-election when everyone said she would do disasterously because the vote was a personal vote for Joe Higgins. The Socialist Party could have held the count up by demanding a further recount on the tied vote with FF - but what was the point? Nulty was going to win and all FF were interested in was an ego boost. Ruth Coppinger will be challanging to win a second seat for the Socialist Party in Dublin West in the next general election.

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    Best opportunities for careerists like your friend is SF fluffy, as I think I outlined to you before.

    I once encountered a SF member who was gunning for nomination to run in the locals who honestly thinks that the provos were evil, partition is justified and socialism is loopy. The fact that he was a member of the party, never mind someone who narrowly lost out at a selection convention is utterly ludicrous. (he left to run as an independent after he lost) There are others like him I'm sure, who might keep such opinions to themselves.

    I've described on the blog how parties, and SF in particular, get destroyed.

    http://itsapoliticalworld.wordpress....litical-cycle/

    And it's people like your friend who do it; those who just want to get elected for the sake of it.

    Also, being a councilor is literally one of the most annoying jobs out there. I'd rather do anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffybiscuits View Post
    A friend of mine is thinking of running for the local council elections next time round in 2014 (I think?) and we had a discussion the other night. He is thinking of running for the local elections in a small Leinster town outside Dublin however during the discussion he came to the conclusion that he may best running under an FF banner. My suggestion was to run under the ULA or as an Indpendent but his reasoning is due to dynastical politics, family influencing and a lack of interest in younger people in voting. Taking into account the young lad is twenty four, politically aware, has a god network of people locally would he be best in going under the FF branch? I told him in the long term he is selling himself short and may be seen as a traitor. The local council where he is going is a FF/FG strong hold locally and the same people are getting voted in each election. He thinks that civil war politics still has an influence also in that you are either FG/ FF/

    Just looking for a general opinion. Not too sure if he wants me to give any more info but just throwing it out there for general chat....

    Sometimes, the oxymorons in your posts astound me, fluffy

    If he believes in centre left politics, let him espouse those and see how he gets on. If he takes the Traitors Party baubles and sells his soul in a Faustian pact, he deserves a good kicking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant View Post
    And Biffo - Ruth Coppinger INCREASED the Socialist Party vote in the by-election when everyone said she would do disasterously because the vote was a personal vote for Joe Higgins.
    Increasing the vote isn't worth a damn if you can't increase it more than the rest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant View Post
    The Socialist Party could have held the count up by demanding a further recount on the tied vote with FF - but what was the point? Nulty was going to win and all FF were interested in was an ego boost.
    What was the point? Winning the seat? Almost 10k transfers and a gap of less than 3.5k.

    If the SP thought there was a chance they would certainly have demanded a recount.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant View Post
    Ruth Coppinger will be challanging to win a second seat for the Socialist Party in Dublin West in the next general election.
    I look forward to watching the celebration flyover by the Dublin West Porcine Aerobatics team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant View Post
    fluffy - there are times I seriously worry about your political outlook - if your friend is such a fly-by-night operator who is looking around opportunistically for a political bed to lie in then my advice to you would be to tell him take a hike.

    And Biffo - Ruth Coppinger INCREASED the Socialist Party vote in the by-election when everyone said she would do disasterously because the vote was a personal vote for Joe Higgins. The Socialist Party could have held the count up by demanding a further recount on the tied vote with FF - but what was the point? Nulty was going to win and all FF were interested in was an ego boost. Ruth Coppinger will be challanging to win a second seat for the Socialist Party in Dublin West in the next general election.
    He wants to go for what he believes in but he also believes that in order to do it he has to sleep with the enemy such is the nature of Irish politics. Im not in favour of him joining FF at all, dont worry about my political outlook, be worried about his! There is no opportunities for him so he sees his interest in politics and the opportunities for a career as being something he can combine, it makes sense. He has friends going to Australia and is fighting is upset as he has lost a lot of his friends. I can understand where he is coming from although I may not agree with part of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    Best opportunities for careerists like your friend is SF fluffy, as I think I outlined to you before.

    I once encountered a SF member who was gunning for nomination to run in the locals who honestly thinks that the provos were evil, partition is justified and socialism is loopy. The fact that he was a member of the party, never mind someone who narrowly lost out at a selection convention is utterly ludicrous. (he left to run as an independent after he lost) There are others like him I'm sure, who might keep such opinions to themselves.

    I've described on the blog how parties, and SF in particular, get destroyed.

    http://itsapoliticalworld.wordpress....litical-cycle/

    And it's people like your friend who do it; those who just want to get elected for the sake of it.

    Also, being a councilor is literally one of the most annoying jobs out there. I'd rather do anything else.
    I dont know to berate him or what to do. He has asked me to be involved but I dont think it would sit comfortably with me and to be honest I dont think I would have any part if he didnt go down a SF/ULA/Ind road as any other party is literally going to be opportunistic. Your points on the blog post are very accurate and describe somewhat what he is doing , like the fella mentioned in your blog post he is thinking of going for a career as he wants a job but he also is passionate about issues that affect people locally. He believes in socialism and community issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slim Buddha View Post
    Sometimes, the oxymorons in your posts astound me, fluffy

    If he believes in centre left politics, let him espouse those and see how he gets on. If he takes the Traitors Party baubles and sells his soul in a Faustian pact, he deserves a good kicking.
    If he sells himself out he deserves a kick in the hole...!
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