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    It'll probably be Labour in Government next, perhaps with the LibDems in a coalition. But RedEd is just such a bore. Not PM standard by any means.

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    Labour have won a by election in South Shields

    UKIP came second, and got more than twice the Torie vote. Tories were third.

    Lib Dems lost their Deposit



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    Now we know why Cameron was so anxious to keep their 19th century voting system.

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    Johnny McGuirk is coming in his pants

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    Labour have won a by election in South Shields

    UKIP came second, and got more than twice the Torie vote. Tories were third.

    Lib Dems lost their Deposit
    The Lib Dems seem to be on track to the the UK version of the Irish Labour party. The full results of all seats are not in yet but it should really upset the Tories. At first glance, there's a Tweedledumb/Tweedledumber dynamic but the big (early) change is that the gains of the Others (UKIP is included in Others) is greater than that of Labour.

    If the Lib Dems get obliterated, it may encourage the Labour people here to move against their Stickie management.

    Regards...jmcc

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruserious View Post
    It'll probably be Labour in Government next, perhaps with the LibDems in a coalition. But RedEd is just such a bore. Not PM standard by any means.
    Not so sure. The Lib Dems might not have sufficient numbers and despite Labour gains, UKIP gains in the locals might be an indication of the start of some long term trouble for Labour.

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    UKIP all over the British Press tomorrow

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    Ah sweet mother of jesus.
    But that kettle has been long on the boil.
    Only a matter of time before slime made tea.
    Anyhow let's shout out
    https://soundcloud.com/kevbar/de-toq...ame-to-tea-neo
    If only to drown out Ganley-like glee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apjp View Post
    Now we know why Cameron was so anxious to keep their 19th century voting system.
    And by keeping the fundamentally anti-democratic voting system, it will be still extremely difficult for UKIP to gain a foothold in the House of Commons. UKIP do not have a geographical concentration of voters, they do not have a class-based concentration of voters and the fact that they took an almost equal proportion of votes percentage-wise from the Tories, Labour and the Lib Dems suggests that the vote is soft. If this vote was primarily based on policies, the losses to the Tories would have been much greater but it seems the voters wanted to give them all a good kicking and voting UKIP was a way of doing that.
    Transferring these figures to a general election setting, UKIP would probably get a lot of second places over a wide geographical spread. And in UK, second gets you nothing apart from your deposit back.

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    Saw a figure of 69% not having voted. Can this possibly be correct ? This surely must be a dysfunctional kind of democracy ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Saw a figure of 69% not having voted. Can this possibly be correct ? This surely must be a dysfunctional kind of democracy ?
    Yes, 31% turnout. And FPTP is such an anti-democratic voting system, one can really question how representative of general public opinion this actually is. But if you do not vote, your opinion counts for nothing so the 69% have only themselves to blame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim Buddha View Post
    Yes, 31% turnout. And FPTP is such an anti-democratic voting system, one can really question how representative of general public opinion this actually is. But if you do not vote, your opinion counts for nothing so the 69% have only themselves to blame.
    I suppose people don't put the same weight on local and bye-elections as they would on a General Election, quite rationally.
    There is nothing like the same effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim Buddha View Post
    Yes, 31% turnout. And FPTP is such an anti-democratic voting system, one can really question how representative of general public opinion this actually is. But if you do not vote, your opinion counts for nothing so the 69% have only themselves to blame.
    You're right of course on the subject of FPTP. It is undemocratic and very much inferior to our system.

    As for how representative an election result is when there's a low turnout, I'd say it's as representative as if there's a 100% turnout. Those who don't vote (or in our system who don't vote the whole paper) give the voters the right to choose the government. To my mind it's lazy and foolish but it's a valid democratic choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    You're right of course on the subject of FPTP. It is undemocratic and very much inferior to our system.

    As for how representative an election result is when there's a low turnout, I'd say it's as representative as if there's a 100% turnout. Those who don't vote (or in our system who don't vote the whole paper) give the voters the right to choose the government. To my mind it's lazy and foolish but it's a valid democratic choice.
    I'm not sure that it is better. First past the post concentrates the mind no end. And at least you know what you are voting for. Our system more or less guarantees coalition governments. No one ever gets a chance to vote on the programme of a coalition, so there is a reduction in democracy in that respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    I'm not sure that it is better. First past the post concentrates the mind no end. And at least you know what you are voting for. Our system more or less guarantees coalition governments. No one ever gets a chance to vote on the programme of a coalition, so there is a reduction in democracy in that respect.
    That view accepts the current position whereby parliament is dominated by the executive to the extent that the legislature is irrelevant.

    It would be better to change parliamentary procedure to give greater opportunities to non-cabinet members than to change the voting system so as to narrow choice.

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