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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE_-Fp7lGSk"]"Labour will not agree to child benefit cut" says GIlmore - YouTube[/ame]


    Speeches begin at 2.30pm though "due to time pressures on Budget day" Noonan will leave chamber.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    "Labour will not agree to child benefit cut" says GIlmore - YouTube


    Speeches begin at 2.30pm though "due to time pressures on Budget day" Noonan will leave chamber.
    Or his blood pressure when he sees the crowds at Leinster House
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    Stephen Donnelly on Newstalk

    4 men, average age 61, 3 former teachers and 1 former Trade Unionist, lock themselves in a room and decide the budget
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    This Week in the Houses of the Oireachtas 3 - 7 December 2012
    See also: Order Papers and Questions, Dáil Order of Business, and the Committee Schedule
    Live Webcasts of the Plenary Sessions and Parliamentary Committees
    Last updated Friday 30 November 2012 at 17.00


    Wednesday 5 December 2012

    Dáil Éireann
    10.30 a.m.

    Leaders Questions

    10.51 a.m.

    Order of Business
    Private Members Business: Motion re Disability Funding and Services (Fianna Fail) (to conclude in 90 minutes)

    SOS

    2.30 p.m.

    BUDGET 2013

    7.00 p.m.

    SOS (30 minutes)

    7.30 p.m.

    Financial Resolutions

    12.00 a.m.
    Dáil Adjourns
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    Stephen Donnelly on Newstalk

    4 men, average age 61, 3 former teachers and 1 former Trade Unionist, lock themselves in a room and decide the budget
    Did he give any indication of why he thought their sex, their age or what they worked at decades ago was relevant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Did he give any indication of why he thought their sex, their age or what they worked at decades ago was relevant?
    What we elect is what we get. If not satisfied with the choice, it is always possible to stand for election oneself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Did he give any indication of why he thought their sex, their age or what they worked at decades ago was relevant?
    I think the point he was trying to make is that all the decision makers are very similar. He suggested that the entire Dail should be involved in the process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCon View Post
    I think the point he was trying to make is that all the decision makers are very similar. He suggested that the entire Dail should be involved in the process.
    That has never and will never happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Did he give any indication of why he thought their sex, their age or what they worked at decades ago was relevant?
    the subtext is that they are largely mere school teachers out of their depth and none of them apparently have any real economic qualifications. Some people seem to think that school teachers are, as a rule, smart. However as the amount of knowledge and information available to ordinary people grew, this perception has declined in the last twenty years or so. Thus these lifer politician/teachers (who in some cases were on sabbatical from their teaching jobs and denying some new teacher a permanent position and pension) are a waste of taxpayer money and intellectually not as bright as people in the distant past once thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    the subtext is that they are largely mere school teachers out of their depth and none of them apparently have any real economic qualifications. Some people seem to think that school teachers are, as a rule, smart. However as the amount of knowledge and information available to ordinary people grew, this perception has declined in the last twenty years or so. Thus these lifer politician/teachers (who in some cases were on sabbatical from their teaching jobs and denying some new teacher a permanent position and pension) are a waste of taxpayer money and intellectually not as bright as people in the distant past once thought.

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    But they have a lot of very expensive advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    But they have a lot of very expensive advice.
    It does beg the question as to whether they have the intellectual abilities to do the job on their own. That's the big flaw with democracy - rule by successful morons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    the subtext is that they are largely mere school teachers out of their depth and none of them apparently have any real economic qualifications. Some people seem to think that school teachers are, as a rule, smart. However as the amount of knowledge and information available to ordinary people grew, this perception has declined in the last twenty years or so. Thus these lifer politician/teachers (who in some cases were on sabbatical from their teaching jobs and denying some new teacher a permanent position and pension) are a waste of taxpayer money and intellectually not as bright as people in the distant past once thought.

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    Being minister for finance isn't about being a financial technician. If it was we wouldn't need to have expensive elections we could instead just recruit a bean counter.

    Mind you though, bean counters tend to demand salaries well in excess of those that 'mere teachers' are satisfied with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    It does beg the question as to whether they have the intellectual abilities to do the job on their own.

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    Well it might prompt the question but it certainly doesn't beg it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    That's the big flaw with democracy - rule by successful morons.
    Modern government is way too complex for ministers to be able to run their departments without advice and technical support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Being minister for finance isn't about being a financial technician.
    So a financial "technician" is somewhat less than a mere teacher?

    If it was we wouldn't need to have expensive elections we could instead just recruit a bean counter.
    If there had been more bean counters and less clueless individuals who had to employ multitudes of advisors, then the country might be in a better state.

    Mind you though, bean counters tend to demand salaries well in excess of those that 'mere teachers' are satisfied with.
    Enda Kenny is paid more than 200K a year, isn't he? What about all the others. At least bean counters have to produce results, get things right or get fired. The lifer politicians don't have such constraints and retire on massive pensions even when they screw up the country.

    Regards...jmcc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    Modern government is way too complex for ministers to be able to run their departments without advice and technical support.
    Of course. God forbid that intelligence and ability were requirements for being a minister. How could all those people of normal intelligence ever hope to aspire to such a position otherwise?

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