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    Default Re: Maternal Deaths in Ireland Twice as High as Reported

    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    she was not able to receive cancer treatment because she was pregnant.

    How is this the case? Pregnant women who have cancer are treated the same as people who are not pregnant, in terms of the treatment available.
    Not entirely correct . During the first trimester there is evidence that chemotherapy could potentially cause genetic defects. This is the stage at which the child is developing and the first couple of weeks in which genes are very much exposed . As chemotherapy is a mutagen it can result in congential defects to the foetus. During the second and third trimester the foetus is more or less unaffected by the chemo.


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    In the other case I mentioned, treatment was withheld from a woman on the grounds that she might get pregnant.
    I had to read that sentence a few times.
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    The Hiqa report into maternity services is saying that there is no consistent centralised system for collating information on maternal deaths. (page 140 and following pages)
    http://www.hiqa.ie/system/files/Pati...gation-UHG.pdf

    If this is the case, where did the MD Ireland figure come from ?

    The pro-Life lobby and medical profession have been happy to repeat the false claim that Ireland has the lowest rate of maternal deaths in Europe (or the world).
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    The Hiqa report into maternity services is saying that there is no consistent centralised system for collating information on maternal deaths. (page 140 and following pages)
    http://www.hiqa.ie/system/files/Pati...gation-UHG.pdf

    If this is the case, where did the MD Ireland figure come from ?

    The pro-Life lobby and medical profession have been happy to repeat the false claim that Ireland has the lowest rate of maternal deaths in Europe (or the world).
    Id edit that to reflect the pro life element of the medical profession, there is doctors for choice...
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    Another very sad death that will not go into the statistics is Dhara Kivlehan's - as she died outside this State.

    At this stage, the question of whether racism among health staff is an issue should surely be investigated ?

    The statistics are beyond a joke.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime...irth-1.1615552
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    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...-30006681.html
    HEALTH Minister Dr James Reilly has vowed to “get to the bottom of” events at the maternity unit of Midland Regional Hospital in Portlaoise, which resulted in the deaths of three babies.
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    Reilly doing a good job to act emotional on the news there

    I wonder if Terry had notes on the speech to prompt this
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    The Clinical Director of Portlaois Midlands Regional Hospital has apologised. His explanation that he has been in the job since 2009 and that things had been transformed in the last two years does not explain 2009-2012.

    The HSE reports sounds damning. RTE is repeatedly reporting the issue as being "the way that parents were communicated with" and glossing over the inadequate care that contributed to deaths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    The Clinical Director of Portlaois Midlands Regional Hospital has apologised. His explanation that he has been in the job since 2009 and that things had been transformed in the last two years does not explain 2009-2012.

    The HSE reports sounds damning. RTE is repeatedly reporting the issue as being "the way that parents were communicated with" and glossing over the inadequate care that contributed to deaths.
    And no politicians, or friends and family of, were affected

    Amazing
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Another very sad death that will not go into the statistics is Dhara Kivlehan's - as she died outside this State.

    At this stage, the question of whether racism among health staff is an issue should surely be investigated ?

    The statistics are beyond a joke.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime...irth-1.1615552
    Desperately upsetting to read what happened to this poor woman and her husband, which was a mirror image of what happened to Savita Halappanavar.

    http://www.news.msn.ie/dhara-kivleha...88187-Sep2014/

    It is possible that she might have died even if she had been treated properly, but surely she would have had a better chance.

    Post 12 on this thread was a horrific case reminiscent of the recent case "Y" in which a woman already severely stressed had a very late abortion.

    A woman could not get a termination until an appallingly late stage, even though she had terminal cancer and subsequently died.

    What are the various issues ? Lack of resources ? Racism ? anti-abortion ideology ?
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    The latest UN report shows Ireland having one of Europe's highest maternal mortality rates, with only a few of the most impoverished states doing worse.

    Does Ireland check if women who kill themselves were pregnant ? How was the woman who killed herself not long ago because she didn't want to deliver twins counted as a peri-natal death ?

    http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/nation...id=mailsignout
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    Malak Thawley's death.

    Hospital policy was NOT to find out the patient's blood type before surgery. Then there was not enough blood available anyway.
    A piece of equipment had to be fetched from another hospital.
    Ice had to fetched from a pub to try to cool her brain.
    She bled to death.
    She was not an emergency case when she arrived at the hospital.

    A main artery was accidentally cut during surgery.

    From an RTE interview with her husband today.
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