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    Quote Originally Posted by Seán Ryan View Post
    That's so bad they didn't even have enough to finish out the story. Had to go back and tell us the makes of 3 cars which were barely relevant to a news story from 10 years ago which has to do with a man who may be one of the others arrested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5intheface View Post
    That's so bad they didn't even have enough to finish out the story. Had to go back and tell us the makes of 3 cars which were barely relevant to a news story from 10 years ago which has to do with a man who may be one of the others arrested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    First of all let me preface my remarks by saying that no evidence has been produced yet to associate eírígí with anything illegal.
    No one has suggested that there has.

    My point was that eírígí has a political analysis that has led them to oppose armed action at this time.

    Stalin temporarily resigned from the Bolshevik party over its ban on bank robberies.
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    It seems to me that Eirigi (apologies for the lack of fadas) have no interest in armed campaign. From everything I've read about them - and from talking with their members over the years their approach is that while they don't condemn armed actions they say that armed campaign is not a viable tactic at this point in time. Put the pikes back in the thatch in other words.

    There had been nothing said or done to show any alteration in their opinions or approach. Prospect of them setting up yet another militant republican group is laughable.

    This looks like, to me, an attempt to blacken their name and discourage republicans, like myself, who may be dissatisfied with Sinn Féin and the GFA, yet think that armed actions are not a good idea, from joining eirigi.

    It's like the medias use of "dissident republican" as a catch all term for militants and other political activists who have no involvement with or support of armed groups, they draw no distinction. This is a deliberate action to scare away potential support.

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    More from the indo:

    Security sources fear emergence of new terrorist group

    Garda Special Branch detectives closely monitored the group's development but at the time insisted they were satisfied that it did not have a military wing.

    Now, however, they are having second thoughts as a result of the arrest of a number of eirigi sympathisers by the Emergency Response Unit, who intercepted an armed gang as they were about to rob a gun shop near Tullamore, Co Offaly, on Tuesday night.

    Anti-terrorist officers say they are very concerned that another military outfit may be emerging and describe the scenario as sinister. But as a result of their ongoing monitoring of the group, they have already collected a lot of information about the organisation's members and their connections.

    If it is true that an 'active service unit' was being formed by Eirigi sympathisers, Tuesday night's arrests will hopefully put it out of existence.
    Blatant felon setting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    More from the indo:

    Security sources fear emergence of new terrorist group

    Blatant felon setting
    The prospect of eírígí standing in the local elections will not have been welcome by all.

    http://www.eirigi.org/latest/latest291112.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post

    Stalin temporarily resigned from the Bolshevik party over its ban on bank robberies.
    I wonder that Lenin didn't resign as well as he personally approved the one I described earlier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    I wonder that Lenin didn't resign as well as he personally approved the one I described earlier.
    That didn't make it any less of a disaster. Ninety people dead, numerous arrests, and they couldn't spend the money.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1907_Tiflis_bank_robbery
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    That didn't make it any less of a disaster. Ninety people dead, numerous arrests, and they couldn't spend the money.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1907_Tiflis_bank_robbery
    Well, it was far from the only robbery. They were a good source of revenue. Lenin wasn't into them for the sake of adventure.

    From 1903 onwards, the RSDLP were divided between two major groups: the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks. After the suppression of the 1905 Revolution by the Russian Empire, the RSDLP held its 5th Congress in May–June 1907 in London with the hopes of resolving differences between the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks. One issue that still separated the two groups was the divergence of their views on militant activities, and in particular, "expropriations" The most militant Bolsheviks, led at the 5th Congress by Vladimir Lenin, supported continuation of the use of robberies, while Mensheviks advocated a more peaceful and gradual approach to revolution, and opposed militant operations.
    I guess you would have been with the Mensheviks. But then wasn't the great one?
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    New statement:


    In a statement issued tonight (Thursday), éirígí general secretary Breandán Mac Cionnaith has confirmed that Ursula Ní Shionnáin is a member of the socialist republican party.

    Mac Cionnaith said, “It is well-known fact that Ursula Ní Shionnáin is a member of éirígí and has been for several years. The party is not seeking to hide or minimise that fact in any way.

    “That she has now been charged following her arrest under the Offences against the State Act is also a matter of public fact.

    “Even though she has been charged, I am conscious that Ursula is still entitled to a presumption of innocence.

    “Unlike some sections of the media during the past forty-eight hours, éirígí is not prepared to engage in prejudicial comment about this case.

    “Neither will we do or say anything which could possibly undermine or jeopardise Ursula’s legal defence in any way.

    “Therefore, the party will not be taking any steps to distance itself from Ursula.

    “However, I have no doubt that some of the more sensationalist media outlets will try to exploit Ursula’s arrest to insinuate all sorts of conspiracy theories and to engage in McCarthy-like ‘reds under the beds’ hysteria against éirígí. That, of course, will be nothing new.”


    From the second last sentence I'm reading "unathorised". (if she was in fact involved in anything illegal as has not been proven)
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    Hearing that Brian Leeson has been released.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    Hearing that Brian Leeson has been released.
    Ah sure, what does it matter, job done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5intheface View Post
    Ah sure, what does it matter, job done.
    Maybe, but Eirigi's statements and response were to the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C. Flower View Post
    Maybe, but Eirigi's statements and response were to the point.
    I'm meaning from the point of view of the branch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    Well, it was far from the only robbery. They were a good source of revenue. Lenin wasn't into them for the sake of adventure.

    I guess you would have been with the Mensheviks. But then wasn't the great one?
    He was with them when he led the first soviet in St Petersburg in 2005.

    The critical split between Bolsheviks and Mensheviks in 1903 was over the requirement of members to work under party direction, not bank robberies. Trotsky was wrong about party membership, and later came to acknowlege it.

    And this discussion has diverged far away from the thread topic. I'd be happy to carry on in a different thread if you want to.
    Last edited by C. Flower; 30-11-2012 at 08:43 AM.
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