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    There is a strong case for asking trade union members not to attend the Hobbit series of movies, the first of which is due out in a few weeks. This is because of the anti-union bullying that was used against the New Zealand government in the making of this film.

    Here is an account from Wikipedia (The Hobbit: film series, viewed 28/11/12):

    On 24 September 2010, the International Federation of Actors issued a Do Not Work order, advising members of its member unions (including the Screen Actors Guild) that "The producers... have refused to engage performers on union-negotiated agreements."[120] This would subject actors who work on the film to possible expulsion from the union.[121] In response, Warner Bros and New Line Cinema considered taking the production elsewhere, with Jackson mentioning the possibility of filming in Eastern Europe.[121]

    Partly out of fear for the Tolkien tourism effect, on 25 October 2010, thousands of New Zealanders organised protest rallies imploring that production remain in New Zealand, arguing that shifting production to locations outside New Zealand would potentially cost the country's economy up to $1.5 billion.[122] After two days of talks with the New Zealand government (including involvement by Prime Minister John Key), Warner Bros. executives decided on 27 October to film The Hobbit in New Zealand as originally planned. In return, the Conservative run government of New Zealand agreed to introduce legislation to remove the right of workers to organise trade unions in the film production industry, and to give money to big budget films made in New Zealand.[123][124][125] The legislation reversed a decision by the New Zealand Supreme Court called Bryson v Three Foot Six Ltd[126] holding that under the Employment Relations Act 2000, a model maker named Mr Bryson was an "employee" who could organise a union to defend his interests. The Key government's legislation has been criticised as breaching the International Labour Organization's core ILO Convention 87 on freedom of association, and giving an unfair subsidy to protect multinational business interests.[127]

    Some have subsequently called the price (further financial subsidies and specific laws made for the producers' benefit) that New Zealand had to pay to retain the movie 'extortionate'. It was also argued that the discussion had occurred in a climate of 'hyperbole and hysteria'.[128]

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    Meh.

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    Any other opinions on this? It is not a joke, it is a serious case of collective bullying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richardbouvet View Post
    Any other opinions on this? It is not a joke, it is a serious case of collective bullying.
    I think you have a good point.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/The-Govt-Holl...7/Default.aspx

    The law change that the Government passed at the ask of an international company removed all of the employment rights of any worker in the film industry – those of the minimum wage, the Holidays Act, the employer levies to ACC,” says Helen Kelly of the CTU. “The right to security against unfair dismissal was completely stripped away for no reason at all.”
    Go and see the Life of Pi instead. The tiger is more awesome than any Hobbit.
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    this is a real shame...i've been looking forward to the hobbit for ages.

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    Ah c'mere. Making movies by definition involves long and anti-social hours often in uncomfortable conditions out on location shoots. The Weta crews work damn hard to create movies like this because they want to. These films really are a labour of love. I've got to know a few people involved in the production over the last year and the amount of graft involved is astonishing - but not one of them complains about the long hours and hard work. They love it.

    And Wellington is a vastly better city because of all the thousands of very well-paid talented, creative, cultural people employed in the film industry here.

    The useless old-skool 1970s-style unions were just doing their usual 1970s nonsense, tried to muscle their way in to a well-paid growing industry, and were rightly told to get to *******.

    Welly's big non-Govt industries are IT, film, tourism, finance and culture/hospitality. Not a whining union of dinosaurs threatening employment and demanding unreasonable unjustifiable perks in sight.

    There was maybe a need for unions once upon a time but they've been obsolete for decades and rarely even exist in modern creative and technology industries....in fact they barely exist outside the public sector. Just like so many of our institutions, political systems, public sector structures, laws, work practices and cultural mores they are just another component of a 19th-century feudal-capital world that is dead and gone - it just doesn't realise it yet.

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    Imagine if people watched it online....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    Ah c'mere. Making movies by definition involves long and anti-social hours often in uncomfortable conditions out on location shoots. The Weta crews work damn hard to create movies like this because they want to. These films really are a labour of love. I've got to know a few people involved in the production over the last year and the amount of graft involved is astonishing - but not one of them complains about the long hours and hard work. They love it.

    And Wellington is a vastly better city because of all the thousands of very well-paid talented, creative, cultural people employed in the film industry here.

    The useless old-skool 1970s-style unions were just doing their usual 1970s nonsense, tried to muscle their way in to a well-paid growing industry, and were rightly told to get to *******.

    Welly's big non-Govt industries are IT, film, tourism, finance and culture/hospitality. Not a whining union of dinosaurs threatening employment and demanding unreasonable unjustifiable perks in sight.

    There was maybe a need for unions once upon a time but they've been obsolete for decades and rarely even exist in modern creative and technology industries....in fact they barely exist outside the public sector. Just like so many of our institutions, political systems, public sector structures, laws, work practices and cultural mores they are just another component of a 19th-century feudal-capital world that is dead and gone - it just doesn't realise it yet.
    Whatever about people loving what they do and not minding working long hours I'm sure that they would like to be renumerated properly for their work on a movies that often makes loads of money for the film companies.

    I'm not sure how Warner Brothers getting minimum wage removed will be of benefit to anyone working in the industry.

    Remove unions, employment legislation, minimum wage etc. and you are well on your way to a Bangladesh economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Lord View Post
    Whatever about people loving what they do and not minding working long hours I'm sure that they would like to be renumerated properly for their work on a movies that often makes loads of money for the film companies.

    I'm not sure how Warner Brothers getting minimum wage removed will be of benefit to anyone working in the industry.

    Remove unions, employment legislation, minimum wage etc. and you are well on your way to a Bangladesh economy.
    Yeah everyone I know working for Weta is on the very brink of being carted off to the poorhouse, I tells ya. The pale starved faces on the graphic designers, prop designers, artists and stage crews, twould take the heart from ye, tis an unreported holocaust of poverty and exploitation and no mistake.

    The only people in any way involved with major films that would be remotely near minimum wage is the hordes of extras, and most of them are students just doing a few days casual for the laugh.

    90% of film industry jobs are skilled labour - often very skilled and very well paid. And it's all the thousands of well-paid highly-skilled workers in the film industry - and IT, another firmly non-union industry - that keeps Wellington's commercial and cultural life ticking over, puts money in the tills and hence eventually in the paycheques of the retail/hospo workers.

    Nonsense about minimum wage is just auld blether, we're not talking assembly-line sweatshop factories here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    Yeah everyone I know working for Weta is on the very brink of being carted off to the poorhouse, I tells ya. The pale starved faces on the graphic designers, prop designers, artists and stage crews, twould take the heart from ye, tis an unreported holocaust of poverty and exploitation and no mistake.

    The only people in any way involved with major films that would be remotely near minimum wage is the hordes of extras, and most of them are students just doing a few days casual for the laugh.

    90% of film industry jobs are skilled labour - often very skilled and very well paid. And it's all the thousands of well-paid highly-skilled workers in the film industry - and IT, another firmly non-union industry - that keeps Wellington's commercial and cultural life ticking over, puts money in the tills and hence eventually in the paycheques of the retail/hospo workers.

    Nonsense about minimum wage is just auld blether, we're not talking assembly-line sweatshop factories here.
    Well I'm really puzzled now. What exactly was it that Warner Brothers wanted the NZ government to do away with ... and why?
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    Mind you, it is oddly comforting to know that there are other governments out there who are prepared to grovel even lower that ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    Yeah everyone I know working for Weta is on the very brink of being carted off to the poorhouse, I tells ya. The pale starved faces on the graphic designers, prop designers, artists and stage crews, twould take the heart from ye, tis an unreported holocaust of poverty and exploitation and no mistake.

    The only people in any way involved with major films that would be remotely near minimum wage is the hordes of extras, and most of them are students just doing a few days casual for the laugh.

    90% of film industry jobs are skilled labour - often very skilled and very well paid. And it's all the thousands of well-paid highly-skilled workers in the film industry - and IT, another firmly non-union industry - that keeps Wellington's commercial and cultural life ticking over, puts money in the tills and hence eventually in the paycheques of the retail/hospo workers.

    Nonsense about minimum wage is just auld blether, we're not talking assembly-line sweatshop factories here.
    Yet for decades, acting, film making and journalism were all highly organised and unionised workforces. The wages today still piggyback off that era.
    It is not just about wages, but about job security, not being victimised, having someone to turn to if sacked without justification, or asked to do dangerous things or crazy hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richardbouvet View Post
    There is a strong case for asking trade union members not to attend the Hobbit series of movies, the first of which is due out in a few weeks. This is because of the anti-union bullying that was used against the New Zealand government in the making of this film.
    If the locals are so desperate for tourist income that they're willing to **** all over workers rights to get it, perhaps a boycott of New Zealand as a holiday destination would be a better idea than a boycott of the film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron von Biffo View Post
    If the locals are so desperate for tourist income that they're willing to **** all over workers rights to get it, perhaps a boycott of New Zealand as a holiday destination would be a better idea than a boycott of the film.
    +1

    The value of the tourism industry is something like 2.5 billion NZ dollars, in the long run a concerted campaign to do this would be better in the long run. The NZ tourism industry is booming at the moment on the back of the previous few films .
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