View Poll Results: Can the Children's Referendum stand?

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  • Yes

    2 12.50%
  • No

    8 50.00%
  • More income for the lawyers

    4 25.00%
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Thread: Childrens Referendum - what now?

  1. #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. FIVE View Post
    Action against outcome has begun says Dearbhail McDonald
    By a no voter and a YES voter who voted by post before she found out about the biased nature of the information.

    Think I caught that right anyway, TV3 News.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saoirse go Deo View Post
    By a no voter and a YES voter who voted by post before she found out about the biased nature of the information.

    Think I caught that right anyway, TV3 News.
    The Hanafin case would suggest that they're at nothing.

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    Update -

    he petition is by Joanna Jordan, a homemaker of St Kevin's Villas, Glenageary Road Upper, Dun Laoghaire, Co Dublin, who campaigned for a No vote in the referendum.
    The second petitioner is Nancy Kennelly, a resident of Abbot Close Nursing Home, Askeaton, Co Limerick, who voted Yes by post before the Supreme Court ruled some information distributed by the Government during the referendum campaign was not impartial.
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1119/chi...challenge.html
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    The challengers are obviously very aware of the Hanafin case.

    "The women are also seeking leave to bring a parallel challenge to the constitutionality of those provisions of the referendum Act, 1994, which require that those seeking leave to bring a petition challenging the outcome of a referendum must first show a referendum was “affected materially” by an irregularity."

    It will be interesting to see what they will be basing this element of the case on.

    One of the petitioners claims that, "It was obvious the Government information influenced people into voting Yes". No doubt the government leaflet did influence some people to vote Yes but it's also likely that the result of the McCrystal case would have influenced others to vote No.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...326839229.html

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    I agree. I think the proviso that the referendum outcome was "materially affected" should be kept, otherwise there might be constant reruns of all referendums for purely technical reasons. The sort of play-acting these 2 are up to could lead to a final referendum to end all referendums.

    I think that if their appeal succeeds, the current AG will be toast, and probably Frances Fitzgerald as well.

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    The sooner the challenges to the result of the referendum are disposed of the better. We might see an end to children's health being put at risk because of the eccentric ideas of parents.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...ag-216641.html

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    Government appears to have contempt for the law.

    Rightly, the Supreme Court has advised Government to butt out of future Referenda, and leave them to the neutral Commission.

    Had the outrageous material produced by the Government for the Fiscal Treaty Referendum been challenged, it undoubtedly would have fallen too.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/supreme-cou...urce=shortlink

    The Chief Justice held that language in the materials “on their face, failed the test of being fair, equal and impartial, failed to be neutral, and failed to hold the scales equally between both sides”.
    For example, the use of the slogans “protecting children” and “supporting families” – both of which were offered in the literature as outcomes of a Yes vote was found to be in breach of this test.
    This was because for some who opposed the referendum, the vote was not about protecting children, but that in fact a Yes vote could result in a greater State intervention with children which they opposed.
    Similarly, while the literature claimed the referendum was about “supporting families”, some could argue that the referendum was detrimental to families because it further enshrined the power of the State to intervene in family setups.
    The court also found that the design of the literature – including silhouetted images of children holding hands, and having a ‘smiley face’ drawn inside the letter O in ‘vote’ – was intended “to induce an emotional response from the reader and actually advocated a Yes vote, in a subliminal fashion”.
    This was in comparison to the literature produced by the Referendum Commission, which the Court noted had not included any images of children.
    The referendum was passed by the public with a 58 per cent Yes vote,
    Last edited by C. Flower; 11-12-2012 at 06:25 PM.
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    Still no sign of FitzGerald resigning.

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    Still no sign of Marie Whelan resigning either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaddyJoe View Post
    Still no sign of Marie Whelan resigning either.
    To be fair to Whelan, she was the advisor not the decider and we don't know what advice she gave. She may even have warned FitzGerald that the booklet was out of order.

    Our system is based on the minister having ultimate responsibility and in this case FitzGerald is the minister. She's honour bound to resign. Not that I'll be holding my breath you understand.

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